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How stong are the humans buu arc?
Topic Started: Jan 17 2013, 08:02 PM (3,497 Views)
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Tien Shinhan
Jan 18 2013, 12:55 AM
I want to say something.

When Gero prepared to fight the 3 (Goku,Piccolo,Tien) , they were ready to fight , as you can see Tien was ready to fight the Androids himself too. Then when Goku says its not save here because of people they fly to another place.

When Gero sent 19 to fight , Goku says that Tien and Piccolo should not enter , since the Androids wanted Goku first not them. If they didn't used Goku as target , Tien and Piccolo would join too , as they were relevant.

Any thoughts on this?
Goku and Piccolo both know how strong they were so there wasn't really danger to Tien.

If Tien is 1

SSJ Goku and Piccolo are 10

The Androids Are 8

As long as Tien fights with his friends he can still get some shots in a help so he would be relevant to the fight as long as he was fighting with Goku and Piccolo, on his own he would get one shoted.

Also he was with Goku and Piccolo he couldn't just not put up his guard to fight.
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Jan 17 2013, 11:51 PM
But seriously, Znet's never made a good argument for the humans. Myself and others have torn him apart every single time. Nobody takes him seriously with his Tien > Base Goten/Trunks "logic." We only humor him for the +1 now.

Tenshinhan > any Base Saiyan is completely illogical and baseless.

The magna statements that I showed proves Humans > Base Saiyans case closed. Having the humans close to Android 18 well that’s the best placement around that time seeing the Base Sayains were around piccolo.
Edited by Zenet, Jan 18 2013, 11:04 AM.
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Jan 18 2013, 12:26 AM
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Jan 18 2013, 12:21 AM
Serious question for those who have the humans 70% or below of Freeza's power.

What do you make of their confidence, or at least their bravery to show up, against opponents that were hyped as unbelievable monsters that destroyed a future with numerous Super Saiyans?
They are Heros. Look at tien is a hell of a lot weaker than Semi Cell yet he attacked him. Krillin attacked Perfect Cell and Got Kicked in the Head.... Krillin chanced attacking frieza when he was at a large disadvantage. Krillin tried to stand up to tambourine and died trying. Tien used up all of his reserves on Nappa, tien attack deflected buutenks when he was absolutely nowhere near buutenks.
Or that they just got really strong and wanted to test there new power seems more logical.
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I think the Humans are stronger than you guy give them credit. In Tenshinhan's case, who did he really lose to in the Android/Cell Arc, he didn't fight 19/20, lost to Android 17, Semi Perfect Cell and Cell Jr. Yes Piccolo thought Tenshinhan and Krillin were trash to 20, the same way the Kaioshin and Kibiito thought Goku, Gohan and Vegeta were trash to Dabura, Yakon and Pui Pui. In both cases they were wrong in their judgement. Obviously Ten was some kind of trump card from the beginning and they didn't let him fight 19/20 to make it more exciting.
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miguelnuva
Jan 18 2013, 09:48 AM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 18 2013, 12:55 AM
I want to say something.

When Gero prepared to fight the 3 (Goku,Piccolo,Tien) , they were ready to fight , as you can see Tien was ready to fight the Androids himself too. Then when Goku says its not save here because of people they fly to another place.

When Gero sent 19 to fight , Goku says that Tien and Piccolo should not enter , since the Androids wanted Goku first not them. If they didn't used Goku as target , Tien and Piccolo would join too , as they were relevant.

Any thoughts on this?
Goku and Piccolo both know how strong they were so there wasn't really danger to Tien.

If Tien is 1

SSJ Goku and Piccolo are 10

The Androids Are 8

As long as Tien fights with his friends he can still get some shots in a help so he would be relevant to the fight as long as he was fighting with Goku and Piccolo, on his own he would get one shoted.

Also he was with Goku and Piccolo he couldn't just not put up his guard to fight.


But Tien didn't know how strong Goku and Piccolo were. And if Goku knew how strong Piccolo was , he still didn't want him to fight since the Androids only wanted Goku.

I think Tien should be close to Base Saiyans and Piccolo suppressed , as they were ready to fight the Androids in the city together.

I mean if Tien was so weak compared to Base saiyans , why should he be sided with them , if he knew he could get one shotted?
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Ten and Krillen pass Freiza by the Buu arc. By EOZ I have Ten near Android 18, when she was in the Android arch at least.
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Androids would have one shoted the base saiyans and the humans. The Humans have never passed Frieza and Tien is the only one who may have come toward 50% Frieza as Krillen stopped training after the Cell games as did Yamacha.
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Jan 18 2013, 11:02 AM
I think the Humans are stronger than you guy give them credit. In Tenshinhan's case, who did he really lose to in the Android/Cell Arc, he didn't fight 19/20, lost to Android 17, Semi Perfect Cell and Cell Jr. Yes Piccolo thought Tenshinhan and Krillin were trash to 20, the same way the Kaioshin and Kibiito thought Goku, Gohan and Vegeta were trash to Dabura, Yakon and Pui Pui. In both cases they were wrong in their judgement. Obviously Ten was some kind of trump card from the beginning and they didn't let him fight 19/20 to make it more exciting.
I don't see how it's so obvious. Kaioshin underestimated the Saiyans and he got shown up for it. What suggests the same thing applies to the humans? Literally nothing.
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miguelnuva
Jan 19 2013, 07:18 AM
Androids would have one shoted the base saiyans and the humans. The Humans have never passed Frieza and Tien is the only one who may have come toward 50% Frieza as Krillen stopped training after the Cell games as did Yamacha.



Krillin only stopped when he had Marron who is 4 so Krillin had 3 years to train and considering how strong 18 is having her as a training partner made him achieve some great gains.

Revious83
Jan 18 2013, 11:02 AM
I think the Humans are stronger than you guy give them credit. In Tenshinhan's case, who did he really lose to in the Android/Cell Arc, he didn't fight 19/20, lost to Android 17, Semi Perfect Cell and Cell Jr. Yes Piccolo thought Tenshinhan and Krillin were trash to 20, the same way the Kaioshin and Kibiito thought Goku, Gohan and Vegeta were trash to Dabura, Yakon and Pui Pui. In both cases they were wrong in their judgement. Obviously Ten was some kind of trump card from the beginning and they didn't let him fight 19/20 to make it more exciting.



Kaioshin probadly cant sense ki though unlike Piccolo.
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I'd put these fatties around 50% Freeza, then...assuming they've lost some weight and were around 20% Freeza seven years ago...
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Jan 18 2013, 01:05 AM
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Jan 18 2013, 12:32 AM
Though...is Goku surprised that someone could surpass Freeza, or that someone could be so powerful that they could basically one-shot him?


Goku and the other Saiyans are already capable of one-shoting Freeza by transforming into Super Saiyan; it should only be considered an impressive feat to them if Freeza's power were still viewed as a threat to their normal states.

Goku's reaction would suggest that someone of Freeza's tier and beyond is a rarity in the universe. It no longer holds any merit if humans could achieve it just through training, without any transformations or assimilations at their disposal.
I agree with this as logic at least in the mind of Goku would dictate that everyone strong in the universe is on earth. Frieza was the ruler of the universe and leader of the PTO, King Kai and Vegeta thought of him as the big bad, and they knew his dad was #2.

There should be no more huge powers out here besides on earth and other world
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but yeah in buu arc its plausible some got near freeza or a bit stonger

and by eoz they could have recived some hax to make them stonger -like vegeta and goku

altough for the latter there is really no prove
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zenet
Jan 18 2013, 10:46 AM
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Jan 18 2013, 12:26 AM
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Jan 18 2013, 12:21 AM
Serious question for those who have the humans 70% or below of Freeza's power.

What do you make of their confidence, or at least their bravery to show up, against opponents that were hyped as unbelievable monsters that destroyed a future with numerous Super Saiyans?
They are Heros. Look at tien is a hell of a lot weaker than Semi Cell yet he attacked him. Krillin attacked Perfect Cell and Got Kicked in the Head.... Krillin chanced attacking frieza when he was at a large disadvantage. Krillin tried to stand up to tambourine and died trying. Tien used up all of his reserves on Nappa, tien attack deflected buutenks when he was absolutely nowhere near buutenks.
Or that they just got really strong and wanted to test there new power seems more logical.
Or they are still weaker than 100% Frieza which is true...
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Jan 21 2013, 03:25 PM
zenet
Jan 18 2013, 10:46 AM
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Jan 18 2013, 12:26 AM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 18 2013, 12:21 AM
Serious question for those who have the humans 70% or below of Freeza's power.

What do you make of their confidence, or at least their bravery to show up, against opponents that were hyped as unbelievable monsters that destroyed a future with numerous Super Saiyans?
They are Heros. Look at tien is a hell of a lot weaker than Semi Cell yet he attacked him. Krillin attacked Perfect Cell and Got Kicked in the Head.... Krillin chanced attacking frieza when he was at a large disadvantage. Krillin tried to stand up to tambourine and died trying. Tien used up all of his reserves on Nappa, tien attack deflected buutenks when he was absolutely nowhere near buutenks.
Or that they just got really strong and wanted to test there new power seems more logical.
Or they are still weaker than 100% Frieza which is true...
its not true when there is more evidence humans > frieza.
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Why would the humans show up to fight the Androids if they were weaker than Freeza?

I don't care if it's been said. There's no way around it. Chaozu was left behind because he was too weak. Everyone else who came must have been strong enough.
Edited by Nimbo-Bimbo lord of all noobs, Jan 21 2013, 06:01 PM.
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