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How stong are the humans buu arc?
Topic Started: Jan 17 2013, 08:02 PM (3,499 Views)
Big Green The Yoshi
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SuperSaiyan2
Jan 17 2013, 08:36 PM
I mean in comparison to Freeza
Weaker than 50% Freezer, by a moderate margin.
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Ok that's what I thought.
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Krillin > 19
Tien > 20
Yamcha > frieza 75%
Chaotzu > frieza 25%

Thatwhat I have em at by buu saga

Krillin close to 18
Tien close to 18
Yamcha >= frieza 100%
Chaotzu >= frieza 50%

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If we go by what everybody believes, that the humans have very limited potential them they are around 6-12 million.
If we go by what i believe, that there are no limits in DBZ, then then they should range from 100% Frieza to Perfect Cell.
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SuperSaiyan2
Jan 17 2013, 08:17 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 17 2013, 08:14 PM
Tien+Krilin surpassed Frieza even in Buu saga IMO

I put Tien EoZ at Android 18 or higher , but thats just me.
I agree with EOZ, but not Buu saga


Why not? In Android saga they were already higher than Frieza Final form Initial as Dr.Gero wanted energy from Tien and Krillin too to beat Vegeta.

So a 7 years training of Tien could IMO be atleast higher than Frieza.
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Tien Shinhan
Jan 17 2013, 08:53 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Jan 17 2013, 08:17 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 17 2013, 08:14 PM
Tien+Krilin surpassed Frieza even in Buu saga IMO

I put Tien EoZ at Android 18 or higher , but thats just me.
I agree with EOZ, but not Buu saga


Why not? In Android saga they were already higher than Frieza Final form Initial as Dr.Gero wanted energy from Tien and Krillin too to beat Vegeta.

So a 7 years training of Tien could IMO be atleast higher than Frieza.
There is even proof they were stronger than Base Saiyans. so in my opinion there were very close to 50% Frizea by Android arc.
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znet
Jan 17 2013, 08:59 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 17 2013, 08:53 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Jan 17 2013, 08:17 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 17 2013, 08:14 PM
Tien+Krilin surpassed Frieza even in Buu saga IMO

I put Tien EoZ at Android 18 or higher , but thats just me.
I agree with EOZ, but not Buu saga


Why not? In Android saga they were already higher than Frieza Final form Initial as Dr.Gero wanted energy from Tien and Krillin too to beat Vegeta.

So a 7 years training of Tien could IMO be atleast higher than Frieza.
There is even proof they were stronger than Base Saiyans. so in my opinion there were very close to 50% Frizea by Android arc.
Can you proof that Boss ? :)
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I refuse to believe they are below Frieza at that point. Talking about Krillin and Tien, not Yamcha obv.
But I'm biased.
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Jan 17 2013, 09:03 PM
znet
Jan 17 2013, 08:59 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 17 2013, 08:53 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Jan 17 2013, 08:17 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 17 2013, 08:14 PM
Tien+Krilin surpassed Frieza even in Buu saga IMO

I put Tien EoZ at Android 18 or higher , but thats just me.
I agree with EOZ, but not Buu saga


Why not? In Android saga they were already higher than Frieza Final form Initial as Dr.Gero wanted energy from Tien and Krillin too to beat Vegeta.

So a 7 years training of Tien could IMO be atleast higher than Frieza.
There is even proof they were stronger than Base Saiyans. so in my opinion there were very close to 50% Frizea by Android arc.
Can you proof that Boss ? :)
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1. Goku and Piccolo both say that you shouldn't come if you don't think you can help. With the knowledge that the Androids could be stronger than a SSJ, yet all 3 of them show up.

1B. Tien says he left Chiaozu behind because he didn't feel like Chiaozu was strong enough, which helps further prove that Tien does indeed think he is strong enough to fight the Androids who are supposed to be stronger than SSJ Trunks.

2. The Androids state they can get a large amount of energy from Yamcha:
Chapter 338 (DBZ 144), P11.4
No.19: “No, it is not Goku…He doesn't match the data. There’s a 96% chance this is the human known as Yamcha…”
No.20: “At any rate, we’ll be able to obtain a large amount of energy.”
3. This line:
Chapter 340 (DBZ 146), P3.2
Yamcha: “Fra-frankly I don’t want to go…Sorry…Those guys…nearly killed me and I was helpless to resist…”
It's not until after Yamcha tries and fails does he want to not fight, meaning he was planning to fight the Androids all along, knowing they could be stronger than a Super Saiyan 3 years ago.

Because the saiyans had to go SSJ to fight the androids this could mean Humans > Base saiyans and with piccolo training himself to rival the SSJs it doesn't seem so far stretch to put the humans above Base saiyans. and also not forgetting Tien attack against Cell
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Jan 17 2013, 09:12 PM
I refuse to believe they are below Frieza at that point. Talking about Krillin and Tien, not Yamcha obv.
But I'm biased.
Yamcha should still be on a similar level, below Tien and Kuririn, but by a small margin. Yamcha rivaled Kuririn all throughout Dragon Ball, for example, with the exception of a few cases, such as the 21st Budokai.
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Humans are no where near Frieza, you guys are taking lines to literal. Humans came to give Goku support everyone there was expecting SSJ Goku to beat the Androids.

Andoirds mention energy because it would be like a 1000 regular humans and because they didn't know about SSJ at the time.

Tien and Krillen could easily be above Namek base Goku and Andorid base Goku most likely wasn't twice Krillen and Tien so the humans would be a lot of energy at this level.

Tien is 50% Frieza tops, Krillen stops training at the end of the Cell Games.
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Jan 17 2013, 10:27 PM
Humans are no where near Frieza, you guys are taking lines to literal. Humans came to give Goku support everyone there was expecting SSJ Goku to beat the Androids.

Andoirds mention energy because it would be like a 1000 regular humans and because they didn't know about SSJ at the time.

Tien and Krillen could easily be above Namek base Goku and Andorid base Goku most likely wasn't twice Krillen and Tien so the humans would be a lot of energy at this level.

Tien is 50% Frieza tops, Krillen stops training at the end of the Cell Games.
your assuming the humans were that weak without evidence because you don't like the humans like most fans.
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Znet swoops in with his facts once again!

Miguelnuva, you better back down before he obliterates you. After all, everyone here agrees he's the smartest person when it comes to DBZ.

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Indeed. I mean Gero calls human pesky fly's and Piccolo warns not to fight because they won't handle them.

Its not like the Androids were far stronger than Frieza , then why would the humans be trash to androids?
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Suppressed Piccolo who considers this power nothing compared to his true power knows that the Humans absolutely cannot tangle with Gero and they never question him. His full power was a complete surprise. His suppressed power was enough to make the humans all shut up and listen.

Base Vegeta's arrival seems to make Gero think that the fight will become more interesting. Gero considers Piccolo and Co. pesky flies and think the emergence of Vegeta could provide something extra.

I doubt that should Vegeta be weaker than Tien he would say this.

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