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A comment on Kid Buu -> Ultra Buu
Topic Started: Jan 17 2013, 03:18 AM (1,133 Views)
IllogicalGlory
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So the general consensus is as follows, I think:
Kid Buu: 1
Super Buu: 1,000-20,000 (depends on the person)
Ultra Buu: 1,300-23,000

but this sort of defies logic, and I'll tell you why:

Kid Buu (fighting southern Kaioshin): 1
Ultra Buu (absorbed southern Kaioshin): 10,000
Fat Buu (absorbed grand Kaioshin): ~ 0.6

How does this happen? By absorbing South, he increases his power 10,000 fold and then decreases it about 20,000 fold?
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I think that with the initial absorption it may have worked differently than with his other ones. I don't think South Kaioshins power was added on, but possibly multiplied. This could explain the huge difference between Kid and Ultra.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

It's stated that Dai Kaioshin's gave Buu a heart, allowing his to be decreaed, or rather to say it kept Buu from attaining the huge influx of power he had once had.

Fat Buu by all means>Buff Buu, but he can't get into that power that would make it so.. Super Buu can't either but he can pull out more power than Fat Buu could. Both Super Buu and Fat Buu are being kept back by the influence of Dai Kaioshin.
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I thought Buff Buu > Super Buu?
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SuperSaiyan2
Jan 17 2013, 03:35 AM
I thought Buff Buu > Super Buu?
He does, this is stated in the manga. What did I say something else?
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No just reconfirming something.
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Jan 17 2013, 03:22 AM
It's stated that Dai Kaioshin's gave Buu a heart, allowing his to be decreaed, or rather to say it kept Buu from attaining the huge influx of power he had once had.

Fat Buu by all means>Buff Buu, but he can't get into that power that would make it so.. Super Buu can't either but he can pull out more power than Fat Buu could. Both Super Buu and Fat Buu are being kept back by the influence of Dai Kaioshin.
But his power increases by about 10,000 and then decreases by twice that? How does that make any sense at all? I realize that Grand Kaioshin holds him back, but enough to make him more than 10,000 weaker? That doesn't work for me. Besides, if having a heart weakens him that much, why isn't Kid Buu stronger than all of them? He's go no heart at all; even Buff Buu must have been influenced by the South's purity, so I'd say he's less evil than Kid.

Then there's the whole problem of absorption. When Buu absorbs people (Gohan, Gotenks, Piccolo) his power increases in pretty simple fashion (Buu power + absorption's power). Why does absorbing the South Kaioshin make him ~ 10,000 times stronger? I guess you could argue that South Kaioshin = 10,000x stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but I doubt that that's the case.

OT: what did you comment in the Power list poll thread mean?
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What kind of person has Super Boo 20,000x stronger than Kid Boo?
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IllogicalGlory
Jan 17 2013, 03:59 AM
Brofist
Jan 17 2013, 03:22 AM
It's stated that Dai Kaioshin's gave Buu a heart, allowing his to be decreaed, or rather to say it kept Buu from attaining the huge influx of power he had once had.

Fat Buu by all means>Buff Buu, but he can't get into that power that would make it so.. Super Buu can't either but he can pull out more power than Fat Buu could. Both Super Buu and Fat Buu are being kept back by the influence of Dai Kaioshin.
But his power increases by about 10,000 and then decreases by twice that? How does that make any sense at all? I realize that Grand Kaioshin holds him back, but enough to make him more than 10,000 weaker? That doesn't work for me. Besides, if having a heart weakens him that much, why isn't Kid Buu stronger than all of them? He's go no heart at all; even Buff Buu must have been influenced by the South's purity, so I'd say he's less evil than Kid.

Then there's the whole problem of absorption. When Buu absorbs people (Gohan, Gotenks, Piccolo) his power increases in pretty simple fashion (Buu power + absorption's power). Why does absorbing the South Kaioshin make him ~ 10,000 times stronger? I guess you could argue that South Kaioshin = 10,000x stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but I doubt that that's the case.

OT: what did you comment in the Power list poll thread mean?
That's just the way it worked, Dai Kaioshin's influence greatly effected Buu's body.

And as for the power list, weren't you reading through them. There an entire argument on Piccolo, Ki Ko Ho and the Masenko going on in there.
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Jan 17 2013, 04:04 AM
That's just the way it worked, Dai Kaioshin's influence greatly effected Buu's body.

And as for the power list, weren't you reading through them. There an entire argument on Piccolo, Ki Ko Ho and the Masenko going on in there.
Well, i just think that the increases need not be as drastic as everyone says because increases like this don't just happen at the drop of a hat elsewhere in the series. I mean, the highest increase we had in that short amount of time was either Goku (or anyone really) going SSJ for the first time. It just doesn't fit in with the increases that occur earlier in the series. My argument is that while their may be evidence (though it's all open to interpretation) for Super Buu being 1,000-10,000x SSJ3 Goku, I just can't imagine that it's what the author had in mind. (especially considering Goku's plans to fusion dance with U. Gohan)


Oh I thought that comment was directed at someone in particular. Like me. ;)
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Jan 17 2013, 04:04 AM
IllogicalGlory
Jan 17 2013, 03:59 AM
Brofist
Jan 17 2013, 03:22 AM
It's stated that Dai Kaioshin's gave Buu a heart, allowing his to be decreaed, or rather to say it kept Buu from attaining the huge influx of power he had once had.

Fat Buu by all means>Buff Buu, but he can't get into that power that would make it so.. Super Buu can't either but he can pull out more power than Fat Buu could. Both Super Buu and Fat Buu are being kept back by the influence of Dai Kaioshin.
But his power increases by about 10,000 and then decreases by twice that? How does that make any sense at all? I realize that Grand Kaioshin holds him back, but enough to make him more than 10,000 weaker? That doesn't work for me. Besides, if having a heart weakens him that much, why isn't Kid Buu stronger than all of them? He's go no heart at all; even Buff Buu must have been influenced by the South's purity, so I'd say he's less evil than Kid.

Then there's the whole problem of absorption. When Buu absorbs people (Gohan, Gotenks, Piccolo) his power increases in pretty simple fashion (Buu power + absorption's power). Why does absorbing the South Kaioshin make him ~ 10,000 times stronger? I guess you could argue that South Kaioshin = 10,000x stronger than SSJ3 Goku, but I doubt that that's the case.

OT: what did you comment in the Power list poll thread mean?
That's just the way it worked, Dai Kaioshin's influence greatly effected Buu's body.

And as for the power list, weren't you reading through them. There an entire argument on Piccolo, Ki Ko Ho and the Masenko going on in there.
Why does super buu have to be thousands of times stronger than goku ssj3, in dbz you only have to be twice as strong as them and they can't touch you.
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Gotenks is your answer.
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Jan 17 2013, 05:46 AM
Gotenks is your answer.
Well yea that's fine but is there a quote or something saying that gotenks is thousands of times stronger than goku, sorry Iv only read the manga once ages ago and didn't think it was that different but I was younger then.
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There's never a quote that outright says that, but it is stated that SSJ Gotenks > SSJ3 Goku, whereas later on Base Gotenks after the RoSaT training is implied to be >>> SSJ Gotenks before the RoSaT training, as evidenced by Piccolo's reaction to his power (while he was under the belief that Gotenks couldn't transform into a Super Saiyan after having already fused). So looking at the fact that Base Gotenks post RST >>> SSJ Gotenks pre RST > SSJ3 Goku, you can see why some people say that Super Boo is 1000s of times stronger than Goku.
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This is because Super Boo's power is restricted, on a smaller scale than Good Boo's, but is still restricted, like his. Potential-wise, yes, he would be stronger than South Boo, but Dai Kaioshin's influence on his power is too great. When he draws out anger, more power is released, as well, and this has been shown, as well as stated.
Edited by Big Green The Yoshi, Jan 17 2013, 08:15 AM.
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