SSJ Future Gohan vs. Piccolo (Android saga)

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SSJ Future Gohan vs. Piccolo (Android saga)
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+ Kyouks	Jan 19 2013, 12:22 AM Post #16
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Piccolo wondering if he's gotten too strong for the androids when fighting #20 automatically puts him miles above the likes of Yardrat Goku, so Gohan's screwed. Edited by Kyouks, Jan 19 2013, 12:23 AM.



Nanho	Jan 19 2013, 04:24 AM Post #17
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Finally something worth debating. Quote: Piccolo wondering if he's gotten too strong for the androids when fighting #20 automatically puts him miles above the likes of Yardrat Goku, so Gohan's screwed. You do know they cant sense their power levels right?? So they have literally no idea how strong they are without getting hit..\ ssj gohan >/~ ssj trunk> piccolo It is implied in the manga that ssj trunks(or pretty much any ssj..well any ssj at that point at least) is superior to Piccolo before his fusion with Kami. And theres not much difference between gohan and trunks fight with the andriods, so they should be around the same ''strength''. Edited by Nanho, Jan 19 2013, 04:41 AM.



+ Kyouks	Jan 19 2013, 04:26 AM Post #18
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Vegeta was able to tell exactly how strong 19 was by watching his movements.



Nanho	Jan 19 2013, 04:51 AM Post #19
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Kiosko Iwannabegattsu Jan 19 2013, 04:26 AM Vegeta was able to tell exactly how strong 19 was by watching his movements. No, and I meant they cant know how strong they are with out taking damage. Sorry about that. I forgot about that one scene(I remembered vegeta killing him without a scratch) during vegata fight with 19. He had to take damage form 19 just to know how strong he was; He allowed 19 to hit him to gauge his strength; By only watching his movements he'd only gain the knowledge of his speed and techniques. Edited by Nanho, Jan 19 2013, 05:00 AM.



+ Pyrus	Jan 19 2013, 04:56 AM Post #20
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	That was him confirming what he gauged by watching their movements.
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+ Kyouks	Jan 19 2013, 04:56 AM Post #21
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Oh okay. But he was right though. :P That's besides the point though. If Piccolo thinks he's gotten two strong for androids who were, according to Trunks, supposed to be able to lay down a smackdown on the Trunks who killed Freeza, then that would place him significantly higher than Trunks and post-Yardrat Goku. Edited by Kyouks, Jan 19 2013, 04:56 AM.



Nanho	Jan 19 2013, 05:51 AM Post #22
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Quote: That's besides the point though. If Piccolo thinks he's gotten two strong for androids who were, according to Trunks, supposed to be able to lay down a smackdown on the Trunks who killed Freeza, then that would place him significantly higher than Trunks and post-Yardrat Goku. Yeah, but he wasnt sure. He felt it was either that are they werent as strong as predicted. Anyways, My point was, after 17 and 18 knocked them out, ssj trunk(pretty much any ssj) was implied to be superior to Piccolo. Look at some of these quotes from Tien, kami and even Piccolo himself: Krillin: I'm sorry I couldnt help Piccolo: Dont worry about it. Even Trunks as a super saiyajin was pretty much taken out with a single attack. Tien: Hes the guy who defeated frieaza easily yet couldnt do a thing against the cyborgs....to tell you the truth no matter how strong goku has gotten I dont think hes as strong as vegeta or trunks..Goku wouldnt be able to beat even them. Kami: They defeated Trunks who defeated frieza and his father. They even beat Vegeta who was stronger than trunks. Basically, ssj is seen as an extreme level of strength, which is implying that any ssj (around that point at least) was much stronger than piccolo. Edited by Nanho, Jan 19 2013, 06:03 AM.



+ Pyrus	Jan 19 2013, 06:03 AM Post #23
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Nobody is claiming Piccolo is stronger than Trunks, Goku, or Vegeta from after the three year training period.
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+ Kyouks	Jan 19 2013, 06:06 AM Post #24
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	I'm referring to the Trunks who killed Freeza.



Nanho	Jan 19 2013, 07:27 AM Post #25
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Quote: Nobody is claiming Piccolo is stronger than Trunks, Goku, or Vegeta from after the three year training period. Quote: I'm referring to the Trunks who killed Freeza. No where in the manga did it say trunks trained nor did anyone mention a power increase. And if he did he doesn't have a sparing partner nor knows gravity training, his gains wouldn't be that much. Edited by Nanho, Jan 19 2013, 07:28 AM.



+ Kyouks	Jan 19 2013, 07:47 AM Post #26
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Really? Trunks before 3 years: Quote: Chapter: 348 (DBZ 154), P6.1 Context: after Piccolo says Super Saiyan Vegeta might beat No.17 and No.18 Trunks: “I-I was able to become a Super Saiyan too…B-but, I was absolutely no match for them…They’re stupendously strong…” Trunks after 3 years: Quote: Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5 Context: Trunks compares No.17 and No.18 in his timeline to the ones in the present Trunks: “They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…” Trunks didn't stand a chance against the androids 3 years prior, but then Vegeta comes along.... Quote: Chapter: 353 (DBZ 159), P12.3-6 Trunks: “Am-amazing! I hadn’t realized that father was this strong…! To think that he’s able to fight on par with that outrageous android…!” Trunks doesn't question Vegeta being roughly on par with #18, he simply voices his awe that Vegeta could fight on par with the android...and Trunks received a smackdown from the future androids, so he knows their power perfectly well, implying that Vegeta is in the future androids' realm of power. Now, Trunks thinks Vegeta's power is amazing, but then Tien says... Quote: Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4 Context: talking about how Trunks and co. lost to the androids Tenshinhan: “[Trunks] is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…He definitely can’t win…! Not even Goku…” ....which implies that whatever gap is between Vegeta and Trunks isn't too large. If Goku is close to both Vegeta and Trunks, the gap between those two can't be so big to the point that Vegeta would be able to tool Trunks the way the androids did 3 years ago. Trunks would likely be able fight Vegeta "fairly well" too. So: Trunks from 3 years ago: - Got owned by the androids Trunks after 3 years: - Is suggested to be in a similar tier of power as someone who's suggested to be around the future androids' level - Can fight fairly well against the androids How does one seriously conclude that Trunks didn't train? Were the gains tremendous, nah they don't need to be, but they were at least significant. And the icing on top is that Piccolo is suggested to be stronger than post Yardrat Goku, but weaker than Trunks after 3 years. : / Sorry for the wall of text. Didn't intend for this to get so long. Edited by Kyouks, Jan 19 2013, 07:53 AM.



Nanho	Jan 19 2013, 08:50 AM Post #27
Posts: 464 Group: Probation Member #8,818 Joined: January 6, 2013	Quote: Trunks before 3 years: Quote: Chapter: 348 (DBZ 154), P6.1 Context: after Piccolo says Super Saiyan Vegeta might beat No.17 and No.18 Trunks: “I-I was able to become a Super Saiyan too…B-but, I was absolutely no match for them…They’re stupendously strong…” Trunks after 3 years: Quote: Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5 Context: Trunks compares No.17 and No.18 in his timeline to the ones in the present Trunks: “They weren’t as outrageously strong as this…Even I could fight them fairly well…” Trunks didn't stand a chance against the androids 3 years prior, Youve made a mistake here. both these quotes are after Trunks returned. What? were u assuming he meant when he first tuned super saiyan? Anyways heres a quote when hes talking to goku: Goku: if you who defeated frieza think theyre a handfull then they must be really strong Trunks: Um..I tried to fight them but since it was two against one I barely mange to survive That can be interpreted as him fighting them fairly well with them having the 2 man advantage. Quote: Quote: Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4 Context: talking about how Trunks and co. lost to the androids Tenshinhan: “[Trunks] is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…He definitely can’t win…! Not even Goku…” ....which implies that whatever gap is between Vegeta and Trunks isn't too large. If Goku is close to both Vegeta and Trunks, the gap between those two can't be so big to the point that Vegeta would be able to tool Trunks the way the androids did 3 years ago. Trunks would likely be able fight Vegeta "fairly well" too. Hmm, I dont think it would matter if isnt too large; How does this help your point again? Quote: How does one seriously conclude that Trunks didn't train? Were the gains tremendous, nah they don't need to be, but they were at least significant. And the icing on top is that Piccolo is suggested to be stronger than post Yardrat Goku, but weaker than Trunks after 3 years. : / I'd like to think that he did but there is nothing implying that he did, or nothing indicating a increase; Hes seen as the same trunks who killed frieza by the z fighters. And where is it stated Piccolo> Yardrat goku? or do you mean ssj Yardrat Goku > Piccolo>> Yardrat goku (base)?



+ Kyouks	Jan 19 2013, 09:04 AM Post #28
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	If the Trunks / Vegeta gap is small, then that puts Trunks a lot closer to the future androids in power than he was suggested to be at 3 years ago. Wrong quote. Whoops. I'm kinda sleepy...doesn't matter, I just copy and pasted the wrong one by mistake... Quote: Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P17.3 Context: Trunks is in hospital after losing to the androids. Trunks: “You were right… The gap between me and the androids was still huge…I think I’m lucky to have returned alive…” ^There, that's before the 3 years. And just to show just the Z Fighters are aware of Trunks' major disadvantage against the 'droids- Quote: Chapter: 335 (DBZ 141), P2.3 Trunks: “3 years from this current era, on May 12th around 10:00 AM, a terrifying pair will appear on an island 9 kilometers to the southwest of South City…Monsters with tremendous power unlike anything in this world…” Chapter: 335 (DBZ 141), P3.3-4 Goku: “For you, a Super Saiyan who instantly defeated Freeza and co., to call them monsters is really something… Trunks “Yes…I’ve stood against them, but unfortunately…In any case, I’m up against two of them…Even fighting one-on-one, I could barely manage to escape…” It isn't stated that Piccolo > Yardrat Goku. But the fight with #20 is the first time the thought of the Z Fighters becoming too strong comes up. This means that Piccolo believes that #20 might be able to beat Trunks with ease, like how Trunks described the future androids. And Piccolo believes that he and the Super Saiyans have possibly grown too powerful for that kind of foe. If Piccolo is weaker than post-Yardrat Goku and Trunks (@ Freeza), then the possibility of him having gotten too powerful is non-existent, which contradicts what he said. In my opinion, the chain of power goes like SSJ Vegeta (androids arc) > SSJ Goku (androids arc) > SSJ Trunks (androids arc) > Piccolo (androids arc) >> #20 (post absorptions) > SSJ post-Yardrat Goku > #19 (post absorptions) > SSJ Trunks (@ Freeza). Edited by Kyouks, Jan 19 2013, 09:04 AM.



+ Pointer	Jan 19 2013, 09:12 AM Post #29
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	We all know how strong Piccolo was on Planet Namek, between Frieza 2nd and 3rd form, so basically way weaker than Goku (base) on planet Namek.Four years later Piccolo gotta be way stronger than he was on Namek,however I dont think he has increased his power 50 times(zenkai works only for saiyans). Piccolo pre Kami gotta be between android 20(post absorbed) and SSj Vegita, he could not match with the SSJ(android saga) Future Gohan was stomped by Future androids,however the same would be with Piccolo(pre Kami) if he had a match with the future Cyborgs but thats just only my personal opinion.



Kblo247	Jan 19 2013, 09:32 AM Post #30
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	It's implied that if the future androids that wrecked society were in the spent, the Z fighters could take them even without Goku. Present 18 shattered Trunks sword like a toothpick, which the future counterparts could never do, so Piccolo would likely have a shot in the future. He may tire out but he would have a shot. The biggest catch about the future droids to the present cyborgs is that they double team you in battle



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