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| Gohan(Buu saga) vs Yakon and Dabura; 1 vs 2 | |
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| EMIYA | Jan 20 2013, 05:18 AM Post #46 |
"I am the bone of my sword."
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How can you even know what's filler and what isn't if you haven't read the manga. The wiki doesn't always tell you this. |
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| + Solid Snake | Jan 20 2013, 05:21 AM Post #47 |
滅Are you frightened?
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Pyro did. but a quick question do find whatever I said this far offensive to anyone? |
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| IllogicalGlory | Jan 20 2013, 07:12 AM Post #48 |
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Wait, what's even being argued here anymore? If it's Gohan's forms, then I can tell you that he's in SSJ2 exactly twice in the entire series: during the Cell Games and at the 25th tournament. Against Dabura, he's SSJ, against Majin Buu, he's also SSJ (just at full power). These are facts. Why this is I cannot be sure (can someone tell me where it says his power wasn't completely restored?), it's either that he was drained or just because he refuses to use SSJ2 for some strange reason. Also, if you want truly canon info, go to the strength checker on Kanzenshuu. That's where we get (mostly) all of our quotes; it's very handy. It's directly translated, so there's little room for questionable content. Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jan 20 2013, 07:14 AM.
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 20 2013, 12:26 PM Post #49 |
 
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Mystic Gohan is the strongest non-fused character in DBZ. Thats's not a opinion....Thats a FACT. |
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| + Solid Snake | Jan 20 2013, 09:21 PM Post #50 |
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gohan was ssj2 against dabura, and tien before I go any farther did I say anything offensive here so far? |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 21 2013, 12:51 AM Post #51 |
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What knowledge do you have more than me , lol? You're talking like you're a big elite member of this forum man , sit down and think before you post something.. |
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| + miguelnuva | Jan 21 2013, 06:06 AM Post #52 |
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Expect he was a MSSJ. |
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| + Kyouks | Jan 21 2013, 07:44 AM Post #53 |
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This debate should've ended right here^, yet for some reason the one who thinks he was an SSJ2 thinks it's alright to call other posters "amateurs" and go with what a faulty wiki says in order to "support" his opinion (or perhaps "fallacy" would be a more appropriate term here), rather than trying to counter what's said in a short, sweet, post with logical points. But then we learn that he hasn't read the manga, which is likely why he hasn't bothered to counter a perfectly fine post properly, yet for whatever reason he feels it's appropriate to call posters who have read the manga amateurs? Please. I'm not even going to get into how you brought up other story arcs which you have read for no good reason, claiming that your knowledge in those areas is better than others. If that's the case, go make a thread concerning that story arc instead of this one. Sorry if I sound harsh, but seriously, get your act together. Rather than flaunting around your superiority complex and calling those who posses knowledge that you don't "amateurs", only to ask later on whether or not you were being offensive (the answer being glaringly obvious to anyone who's bothered to look at the way you responded to a reasonably written post), go ahead and go read the manga, go read up on the fight with Gohan and Dabura, look at the statements surrounding that fight and the statements after that fight, and then come back and try to properly counter my post, which unlike yours contain evidence from the manga supporting my point. Seriously, I doubt you even bothered to register what my post meant because you just went off on how Tien and I were "amateurs" before bringing up a faulty wiki which contains quite a few entries without any basis, as Brofist has already pointed out. "Not only does he lack the SSJ2 lightning" <--- You failed to counter this. "and the vigorous aura" <--- You also failed to counter this "he later implies that he can't access his full power (ie, SSJ2) when he says something along the lines of 'If only I could use my true power' whilst facing Initial Fat Boo." <----- And you failed to counter this. What was the argument for Gohan being an SSJ2 again? Oh yes, a missing bang of hair, which he also lacks whilst pulling out the Z Sword. If I have to spell every little thing out, then it can't be helped. Gohan is an SSJ right here and here as well, given the fact that Kibito sees Gohan do what he did, yet obviously has no idea what an SSJ2 is, seeing as how he's completely shocked at Gohan's power this time, not to mention that Gohan asks Kibito if he wants to see the next level, implying that the next level has yet to be seen. Supporting quotes:
If that isn't enough, then note the lightning when Gohan transforms for Kibito, and note the lack of lightning when Gohan transforms while watching Videl get beat up. Note the robust aura when Gohan transforms for Kibito, note the lack of that in the other instance. So, Gohan was an MSSJ in that first instance and Gohan was an SSJ2 in that second instance. Agreed? I would hope so. Now, let's move on. Take a gander at this, and this as well. It's Gohan fighting Dabura. He lacks a robust aura. He lacks lightning. The two key characteristics on an SSJ2. But what's the problem? He has only one bang? He has one bang here and here as well. Is he suddenly an SSJ2 in those scenes too? No, no he isn't. So there you go. Gohan while fighting Dabura is an MSSJ, not an SSJ2. I can't fathom why I'd need to go so in-depth to prove something so simple, but oh well. And I hope you don't Edited by Kyouks, Jan 21 2013, 08:30 AM.
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| Copy_Ninja | Jan 21 2013, 02:14 PM Post #54 |
Novacane for the pain
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Don't spam up the thread with this, if you have any more issues about this leave it to PM, this isn't the place. Also, Kyouka basically summed up the case for SSJ Gohan (an argument which unfortunately cannot be avoided in this thread). |
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| + Solid Snake | Jan 21 2013, 09:10 PM Post #55 |
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hmm kyouka put me out of commission for a while, but I can't deny what he said but tell, do you believe daizenshuu cases kyouka? you must answer me this, and only you. |
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| + Kyouks | Jan 21 2013, 09:59 PM Post #56 |
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It depends. If the Daizenshuu doesn't contradict the manga, then sure, I'll believe it. I'm assuming you have the entry which states that Gohan was an SSJ2 against Dabura in mind? If I remember correctly, there's another entry in a different volume saying that Dabura fought SSJ Gohan (it was in an entry listing Dabura's techniques or something). I can't check at the moment seeing as how Kanzenshuu's transferring everything from Kanzentai to their site right now, I think. |
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Jan 21 2013, 10:01 PM Post #57 |
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It would be the same as Gohan vs dabura, Yakon is not even a threat to base saiyan let alone Ssj, Gohan would beat him quickly and then vs dabura |
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| + Solid Snake | Jan 21 2013, 10:58 PM Post #58 |
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okay I see, there was another topic similar to this one at kazenshuu and they pretty much mentioned almost everything you guys said. so I guess I was wrong this entire time. so I'm sorry to everyone here for calling you amateurs, and was being out of line, I hope you guys can forgive my ignorance. but it's okay if you don't I won't hold a grudge. |
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