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Tien Evil Containment Wave
Topic Started: Jan 14 2013, 03:39 PM (1,540 Views)
Alex D. Boss
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When Tien used Evil Containment wave against Piccolo Daimao , Drum stepped in , and Tien had the advantage to finishing him off , but Piccolo destroyed it.

Lets say Drum didn't stepped in , could Tien finish Piccolo off?
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I don't think so
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Sorry for separate post <.<
All I could do with this one is edit! xD
Edited by Andro, Jan 14 2013, 05:04 PM.
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absolutely. mutaito and roshi had an imperfect mastery of the technique, so that it killed them both to use it. however, each of them was able to successfully capture daimao in the technique (even though roshi missed the jar). tien had progressed far enough in his skill to use the technique without killing himself, so he definitely could have caught daimao.
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Jan 14 2013, 05:07 PM
absolutely. mutaito and roshi had an imperfect mastery of the technique, so that it killed them both to use it. however, each of them was able to successfully capture daimao in the technique (even though roshi missed the jar). tien had progressed far enough in his skill to use the technique without killing himself, so he definitely could have caught daimao.
I can agree with you. I also noticed that Tien had managed to survive the Technique while the great masters Mutaito and Roshi died from it.

It seems Tien mastered the technique at best.
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The jar (or whatever it was) had broken. Tien only noticed this after he'd already challenged Piccolo. After that he changed his plan from "use the evil containment wave" to "try and beat Piccolo up". So no, he would have failed miserably.
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Jan 14 2013, 07:13 PM
The jar (or whatever it was) had broken. Tien only noticed this after he'd already challenged Piccolo. After that he changed his plan from "use the evil containment wave" to "try and beat Piccolo up". So no, he would have failed miserably.
Tien had the advantage to put Drum in the Container , but then Piccolo destroyed it.

If it wasn't for Drum , Piccolo would be a goner.
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Jan 15 2013, 02:01 PM
Clearin
Jan 14 2013, 07:13 PM
The jar (or whatever it was) had broken. Tien only noticed this after he'd already challenged Piccolo. After that he changed his plan from "use the evil containment wave" to "try and beat Piccolo up". So no, he would have failed miserably.
Tien had the advantage to put Drum in the Container , but then Piccolo destroyed it.

If it wasn't for Drum , Piccolo would be a goner.
I think you're remembering this wrong.

Tien practised the evil containment wave a few times using the container, then when he finally mastered it he went off to challenge Piccolo; Piccolo accepts his challenge and flies to the ground ready to fight. Tien goes to grab the container but finds that it has cracked which he assumes happened when he was practising the technique. At this point he can't use the container but he also can't run away now that he's already challenged Piccolo so he basically just decides to try and fight Piccolo like normal, leaving the container in the plane, it isn't until this point that Piccolo spits Drum out.

If anything Piccolo creating Drum saved Tien's life since Piccolo could have finished him off faster than Drum, and Goku wouldn't have been able to save him.
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From what I remember , Tien falled on to ground after a punch of Drum , then he had the advantage to use the ECW against Piccolo since he was close to him, where Piccolo couldn't escape from , Thats why Drum had to step in as he knew Piccolo would/could be gone.

Edit: Drum is present.
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Tien Shinhan
Jan 15 2013, 02:22 PM
From what I remember , Tien falled on to ground after a punch of Drum , then he had the advantage to use the ECW against Piccolo since he was close to him, where Piccolo couldn't escape from , Thats why Drum had to step in as he knew Piccolo would/could be gone.

Edit: Drum is present.
Was that anime filler? Tien never once even tried to use the evil containment wave during that fight in the manga. He had nothing to put Piccolo in so it would have been useless.
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Jan 15 2013, 02:29 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 15 2013, 02:22 PM
From what I remember , Tien falled on to ground after a punch of Drum , then he had the advantage to use the ECW against Piccolo since he was close to him, where Piccolo couldn't escape from , Thats why Drum had to step in as he knew Piccolo would/could be gone.

Edit: Drum is present.
Was that anime filler? Tien never once even tried to use the evil containment wave during that fight in the manga. He had nothing to put Piccolo in so it would have been useless.
Wait , did Tien never used the wave in manga?

Even if it isn't , if a weaker Roshi can pull Piccolo into the container ( the only mistake was missing it) Tien would be able to put him in since he mastered the technique.
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If he had a container then yeah he should definitely be able to do it.
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Yeah Tien definitely intended to sacrifice himself. But I don't get how he planned on fighting Piccolo after sealing Drum when it would supposedly kill him. Maybe sealing a Demon as powerful and evil as Piccolo is what was fatal about the move rather than just the move on its own.

His whole plan was kind of dumb though. Even if he had sealed King Piccolo and died Drum would have been there to release Piccolo again right away so he would have died for nothing. And if Drum hadn't been there there was always a chance some kid or person could stumble across it and release Piccolo without knowing.

If he wanted to sacrifice himself to kill Piccolo he should have just done a full power Tri Beam with all his life force in it. Surely there's a chance that would kill him?
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Jan 15 2013, 08:06 PM
Yeah Tien definitely intended to sacrifice himself. But I don't get how he planned on fighting Piccolo after sealing Drum when it would supposedly kill him. Maybe sealing a Demon as powerful and evil as Piccolo is what was fatal about the move rather than just the move on its own.

His whole plan was kind of dumb though. Even if he had sealed King Piccolo and died Drum would have been there to release Piccolo again right away so he would have died for nothing. And if Drum hadn't been there there was always a chance some kid or person could stumble across it and release Piccolo without knowing.

If he wanted to sacrifice himself to kill Piccolo he should have just done a full power Tri Beam with all his life force in it. Surely there's a chance that would kill him?
When Tien used ECW , he didn't die , and that was a surprise of him too , since Roshi died even failing to succeed it , Tien was able to survive from it.
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the mafuba, like the kikoho, is a genki technique. it uses life force to power the attack instead of/in addition to normal ki. tien has a greater mastery of genki techniques than any other character. he survived using the kikoho, survived using the shin kikoho, and survived using the mafuba. it was the mafuba itself which was deadly, not the target of the mafuba. kami didn't die when using the mafuba on piccolo jr., who was stronger than daimao, and just as evil.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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