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Another PL list (Buu saga not included)
Topic Started: Jan 14 2013, 06:21 AM (1,587 Views)
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Jan 14 2013, 03:03 PM
-Bacterian>Ranfan>Yamcha: Yamcha is the weakest of those since Roshi only used a wnd against him while Bacterian could handle Krillin , and Ranfan gave Nam a bad struggle.
- Nam>Giran: Nam was almost equal to Goku FP , while Goku fought easier against Giran compared to Nam.
- Yamcha should be near Krillin 22nd Budokai , since Krillin stated that he was about as strong as him.
- Krillin/Yamcha > Tao. Goku considers them amazing , while Tao was trash to Tien.
- Roshi is 139. A Fact.
- Tien >/~ Weighted Goku. Goku couldn't keep up with weighted clothes , thats why he took them off , as Kami states that Goku fights a strong opponent.
- Tien > Krillin in Saiyan saga. Its stated.
- You have Krillin saiyan saga 1,900 , and then Krillin 1,500 Namek saga? Hilarious.
- Frieza second form higher than Piccolo ?
- Vegeta > Piccolo Trunks saga. Vegeta and Piccolo's gap should be the same as in Frieza saga
- Humans are increased in 1 day? Why?How?When?Where?
- Tri Beam of Tien should be near Semi Cell.
- Vegeta>Trunks Post Rosat.
1. I think Ranfan and Bacterian just have techniques that give them the upper hand for awhile. Krillin finished Bacterian easy when he overcame them, same for Nam.
2. Eh, I don't really know so I'm just leaving the way it is.
3. Ok
4. To Tien maybe, but I think he'd still have the upper hand on at least Yamcha, Krillin would win even though his PL is slightly lower. (he's got lots of tricks, that we know)
5.Yes, at the beginning of Dragon Ball Z, 5 years after the 22nd where he was at his best.
6. Tien got totally f*cked up by Nappa while Krillin came very close to killing him, if Tien is stronger, the difference is small.
7. He was stronger when he fought the hardest fight of his life than when he stomped two Frieza goons, he wasn't at full power. (which is 2,200, I added that to clarify) - also, don't be a dick
8. Typo, meant third form
9.It's been a year and Piccolo increased a ton after this; I reduced him, but the gap is much smaller
10. Clarification: their power in the Imperfect Cell saga was just them going all out, they didn't increase.
11. Ok, I guess so, it's still small though
Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jan 14 2013, 11:44 PM.
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Tenshinhan > Krillin (Saiyan Arc) ; as we have no reason to believe Krillin has surpassed him at that point in time.

Krillin only came close to killing Nappa with his kienzan which could also kill Vegeta.

Irrelevant, at best.
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If anything, Krillin's line that goes something like "That's Tenshinhan for you!" at least reinforces the general status quo we've had throughout the series up until that point (TIen > Krillin).
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Jan 14 2013, 11:42 PM
Tenshinhan > Krillin (Saiyan Arc) ; as we have no reason to believe Krillin has surpassed him at that point in time.

Krillin only came close to killing Nappa with his kienzan which could also kill Vegeta.

Irrelevant, at best.
How about the fact that he killed (up to) 6 saibamen with one shot?
Kienzan could kill Vegeta? Kienzan isn't all-powerful.
Krillin fought Nappa hand-to-hand much better than Tien did too.

The only difference I'm willing to have between them is a double-digit one anyway.

Edit:
Krillin: 1,750
Tien: 1,790
Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jan 14 2013, 11:48 PM.
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Jan 14 2013, 11:45 PM
If anything, Krillin's line that goes something like "That's Tenshinhan for you!" at least reinforces the general status quo we've had throughout the series up until that point (TIen > Krillin).
That's the line, verbatim.

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IllogicalGlory
Jan 14 2013, 11:46 PM
BukLau
Jan 14 2013, 11:42 PM
Tenshinhan > Krillin (Saiyan Arc) ; as we have no reason to believe Krillin has surpassed him at that point in time.

Krillin only came close to killing Nappa with his kienzan which could also kill Vegeta.

Irrelevant, at best.
How about the fact that he killed (up to) 6 saibamen with one shot?
Kienzan could kill Vegeta? Kienzan isn't all-powerful.
Krillin fought Nappa hand-to-hand much better than Tien did too.
Proof Tenshihan cannot do the same? None.

Again, proof of claim?

Irrelevant, again. Tenshinhan had an arm of his chopped off. He's supposed to do as good as someone who doesn't?
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Jan 14 2013, 11:48 PM
Proof Tenshihan cannot do the same? None.

Again, proof of claim?

Irrelevant, again. Tenshinhan had an arm of his chopped off. He's supposed to do as good as someone who doesn't?

1. Proof he can? None.
2. It doesn't make sense.
3. Well Krillin managed to avoid the arm-chopping in the first place, while Tien did not, but w/e. Tien should've done the four arms technique too.

Krillin: 1,740
At his absolute best: 1,900
Tien: 1,790
At his best: 1,980
Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jan 14 2013, 11:53 PM.
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Jan 14 2013, 11:32 PM
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Jan 14 2013, 03:03 PM
-Bacterian>Ranfan>Yamcha: Yamcha is the weakest of those since Roshi only used a wnd against him while Bacterian could handle Krillin , and Ranfan gave Nam a bad struggle.
- Nam>Giran: Nam was almost equal to Goku FP , while Goku fought easier against Giran compared to Nam.
- Yamcha should be near Krillin 22nd Budokai , since Krillin stated that he was about as strong as him.
- Krillin/Yamcha > Tao. Goku considers them amazing , while Tao was trash to Tien.
- Roshi is 139. A Fact.
- Tien >/~ Weighted Goku. Goku couldn't keep up with weighted clothes , thats why he took them off , as Kami states that Goku fights a strong opponent.
- Tien > Krillin in Saiyan saga. Its stated.
- You have Krillin saiyan saga 1,900 , and then Krillin 1,500 Namek saga? Hilarious.
- Frieza second form higher than Piccolo ?
- Vegeta > Piccolo Trunks saga. Vegeta and Piccolo's gap should be the same as in Frieza saga
- Humans are increased in 1 day? Why?How?When?Where?
- Tri Beam of Tien should be near Semi Cell.
- Vegeta>Trunks Post Rosat.
1. I think Ranfan and Bacterian just have techniques that give them the upper hand for awhile. Krillin finished Bacterian easy when he overcame them, same for Nam.
2. Eh, I don't really know so I'm just leaving the way it is.
3. Ok
4. To Tien maybe, but I think he'd still have the upper hand on at least Yamcha, Krillin would win even though his PL is slightly lower. (he's got lots of tricks, that we know)
5.Yes, at the beginning of Dragon Ball Z, 5 years after the 22nd where he was at his best.
6. Tien got totally f*cked up by Nappa while Krillin came very close to killing him, if Tien is stronger, the difference is small.
7. He was stronger when he fought the hardest fight of his life than when he stomped two Frieza goons, he wasn't at full power. (which is still 1,900, I added that to clarify) - also, don't be a dick
8. Typo, meant third form
9.It's been a year and Piccolo increased a ton after this; I reduced him, but the gap is much smaller
10. Clarification: their power in the Imperfect Cell saga was just them going all out, they didn't increase.
11. Ok, I guess so, it's still small though



1. Krillin was close to Initial Roshi who beat Yamcha with amplified wind meaning that he was well within tanking range. Ranfan made Nam scream in painfrom her hits. Bacterian was able to beat up on Krillin with his hits. So it wasn't just their ablities that were helping them in their fights.



2. So your going to ignore all o the proof that the manga gives to why Nam is superior to Giran?




4. I use to think Tao was stronger than Krillin and Yamcha but the manga made it clear that Krillin and Yamcha was stronger based on how Tao couldn't see Tien's movements Krillin and Yamcha could atleast see Goku and TIen's movements.



10. Nothing says they weren't going all out aganist the androids either.
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Jan 14 2013, 11:32 PM
1. I think Ranfan and Bacterian just have techniques that give them the upper hand for awhile. Krillin finished Bacterian easy when he overcame them, same for Nam.
2. Eh, I don't really know so I'm just leaving the way it is.
3. Ok
4. To Tien maybe, but I think he'd still have the upper hand on at least Yamcha, Krillin would win even though his PL is slightly lower. (he's got lots of tricks, that we know)
5.Yes, at the beginning of Dragon Ball Z, 5 years after the 22nd where he was at his best.
6. Tien got totally f*cked up by Nappa while Krillin came very close to killing him, if Tien is stronger, the difference is small.
7. He was stronger when he fought the hardest fight of his life than when he stomped two Frieza goons, he wasn't at full power. (which is still 1,900, I added that to clarify) - also, don't be a dick
8. Typo, meant third form
9.It's been a year and Piccolo increased a ton after this; I reduced him, but the gap is much smaller
10. Clarification: their power in the Imperfect Cell saga was just them going all out, they didn't increase.
11. Ok, I guess so, it's still small though
1. Krillin had no nose , thats why he won , Yamcha wouldn't survive it. Ranfan could hurt Nam and let him scream like a idiot , she would probably kick Yamcha badly.
2. Nam was stated by Roshi amazing , while Giran wasn't a much deal for Roshi. And Goku fought nearly his FP against him , not much against Giran.
6. The difference is not big as you said , its Tien > Krillin in Saiyan saga , pretty much a fact. It doesn't matter which one came close to kill him.
7. You better do because its hilarious still. And "don't be a dick" such a weak argument man lol.
9. The gap was huge in Frieza arc , but in Trunks saga became smaller , so its still Vegeta>Piccolo
10. They never suppressed their pwl , there is no increasing , never explained or stated.
11 yeah its small.
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The only proof there is at all for Tien and Krillin is the status quo and the line I posted above. How is Krillin's luck saving him from amputation, and his anger at Yamcha's death relevant at all?
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Jan 14 2013, 11:52 PM
1. Krillin had no nose , thats why he won , Yamcha wouldn't survive it. Ranfan could hurt Nam and let him scream like a idiot , she would probably kick Yamcha badly.
2. Nam was stated by Roshi amazing , while Giran wasn't a much deal for Roshi. And Goku fought nearly his FP against him , not much against Giran.
6. The difference is not big as you said , its Tien > Krillin in Saiyan saga , pretty much a fact. It doesn't matter which one came close to kill him.
7. You better do because its hilarious still. And "don't be a dick" such a weak argument man lol.
9. The gap was huge in Frieza arc , but in Trunks saga became smaller , so its still Vegeta>Piccolo
10. They never suppressed their pwl , there is no increasing , never explained or stated.
11 yeah its small.
1. altered it a bit
2. fair enough
6. I guess so
7. Krillin's FP during that saga was 2,200, I put that on the list even before you posted. It was the power he used when running from Dodoria. Saying "hilarious" sounded dickish to me; I'm not a dumbass, alright and dickishness was not my argument either.
9. Indeed it is
10. It's generally agreed that when someone tries really really hard, their power increases. The numbers I have are mostly people just standing around.
Like 10,000,000 for Goku was him just standing around, it might go up to around 30,000,000-40,000,000 if he tries really hard.
Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jan 15 2013, 12:04 AM.
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Jan 14 2013, 11:57 PM
The only proof there is at all for Tien and Krillin is the status quo and the line I posted above. How is Krillin's luck saving him from amputation, and his anger at Yamcha's death relevant at all?
I said twice that I changed the numbers, but in terms of effectiveness Krillin>>Tien
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Jan 14 2013, 11:58 PM
1. If Bacterian didn't have powers of smell-destruction, he'd lose to Yamcha (by a small margin) and very badly to Krillin. Ranfan jsut got a good hit in against Nam, he wasn't hurt really at all.
7. Krillin's FP during that saga was 2,200, I put that on the list even before you posted. It was the power he used when running from Dodoria.
1. This is Yamcha speaking himself:

Chapter: 35, P7.1-2
Yamcha: “H-he’s a tough one! He’s got fearsome physical strength! But even more fearsome is his ultra bad smell. It’s said he’s never bathed in his life…! His extreme stench makes people hold their nose without even thinking about it. This prevents his opponents from using their arms, leaving them vulnerable to his attacks…!”

Yamcha doesn't stand a chance. Don't forget how he was able to punch Krillin hard , Yamcha wouldn't survive that.

7. I think that Krillin>Gohan till Ginyu saga , because Krillin learned Gohan train and not to mention increased when he took his clothes off , was able to fly faster than Gohan with grabbing Dende , was also able to hit Ginyu compared to Krillin , but that's my view though.
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Jan 15 2013, 12:05 AM
1. This is Yamcha speaking himself:

Chapter: 35, P7.1-2
Yamcha: “H-he’s a tough one! He’s got fearsome physical strength! But even more fearsome is his ultra bad smell. It’s said he’s never bathed in his life…! His extreme stench makes people hold their nose without even thinking about it. This prevents his opponents from using their arms, leaving them vulnerable to his attacks…!”

Yamcha doesn't stand a chance. Don't forget how he was able to punch Krillin hard , Yamcha wouldn't survive that.

7. I think that Krillin>Gohan till Ginyu saga , because Krillin learned Gohan train and not to mention increased when he took his clothes off , was able to fly faster than Gohan with grabbing Dende , was also able to hit Ginyu compared to Krillin , but that's my view though.
1. Yeah I changed that, thanks.
7. I think that Gohan increased a lot when he fought Vegeta alone, and retained a bit of it in the Namek saga. Not sure if the image-training thing is canon, but he beat Krillin at that I think.
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Jan 14 2013, 11:59 PM
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Jan 14 2013, 11:57 PM
The only proof there is at all for Tien and Krillin is the status quo and the line I posted above. How is Krillin's luck saving him from amputation, and his anger at Yamcha's death relevant at all?
I said twice that I changed the numbers, but in terms of effectiveness Krillin>>Tien
Oopsie, I missed it. :P

Image training was canon.
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