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| IllogicalGlory | Jan 14 2013, 06:21 AM Post #1 |
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Introduction: Daizenshuu PL's are considered, but often contradicted because I disagree. Dragon Ball (PLs aren't perfect, don't have extensive knowledge) Spoiler: click to toggle Saiyan Saga Piccolo: 408 Goku: 416 Krillin: 206 Roshi: 139 Raditz: 1,300 Goku (using Kamehameha): 910 Piccolo (Makankosappo): 1330 Gohan (distressed): 710 Gohan (enraged): 1307 Raditz (battle-damaged): 500 Yamcha: 177 Tien: 250 Chiaoutzu: 149 King Yemma: 2,500 King Kai: 3,500 Kami: 315 Goku (arriving at King Kai's planet): 520 Saiyans arrive Vegeta: 18,000 Nappa: 6,000 - holds back at first Krillin: 1,740 Tien: 1,790 Yamcha: 1,430 Piccolo: 2,600 Gohan: 910 Chiaoutzu: 690 Saibamen: 1,200 Krillin (split blast): 1,500 each Tien (spiritual Tri-Beam): 2,400 Krliin (Kienzan): 4,500 Gohan (enraged Masenko): 2,800 Goku: 5,000 Goku (powered up): 8,200 Nappa: 6,000 Goku (kaio-ken): 13,000 Vegeta: 18,000 Goku (Kaio-ken x2): 16,400 Goku (Kaio-ken x3): 24,600 Goku (kaio-ken x4): 32,800 Vegeta: 9,500 Vegeta (after creating fake moon): 6,500 Oozaru Vegeta: 65,000 Spirit Bomb: 290,000 Weak Spirit Bomb: 20,000 Krillin: 1,900 Gohan: 2,200 Yajirobe: 1,120 Vegeta: 3,400 Gohan (enraged): 3,000 Vegeta (after being hit by spirit bomb): 1,000 Oozaru Gohan: 10,000 Vegeta (after beating): 200 Krillin: 800 Namek Saga Gohan: 1,500 Full Power: 2,400 Krillin: 1,500 Full Power: 2,200 Banan/Sui: 800 Frieza: 100,000 Zarbon: 22,000 Dodoria: 20,000 Cui: 18,800 Vegeta: 24,000 Namekian soldiers: 3,000 Namekians: 900-1,300 Frieza henchmen: 700-1,200 Dende: 50 Gohan (enraged): 4,000 Krillin: 2,200 Zarbon (monster form): 27,000 Appule: 1,000 Vegeta (healed): 30,000 Vegeta (full power): 29,900 Krillin (power unlocked): 14,000 Gohan (power unlocked): 18,500 Nail: 20,000 Guru: 5 Ginyu Force Guldo: 9,000 Recoome: 41,000 Burter: 42,000 Jeice: 42,000 Ginyu (at rest): 55,000 Captain Ginyu Saga Goku (arrival on Namek): 10,000 Goku (suppressed): 5,000 Goku (focused): 60,000 +/- Vegeta (recovery): 50,000 Ginyu (serious): 87,000 Goku (serious): 85,000 Goku (kaio-ken x2): 180,000 Ginyu (full power, not seen): 120,000 Vegeta (fighting Jeice): 160,000 Nail: 42,000 Frieza (suppressed): 100,000 Dende (power unlocked): 2,000 Frieza Saga Frieza: 530,000 Vegeta: 520,000 Gohan: 400,000 Krillin: 320,000 Frieza (2nd form): 1,000,000 Gohan (enraged): 1,200,000 Frieza (powered up): 1,300,000 Piccolo: 100,000 Piccolo (fusion with Nail): 1,200,000 Piccolo (fighting Frieza): 1,400,000 Frieza (full power): 1,500,000 Piccolo (full power, no weights): 1,700,000 Frieza (third form): 2,200,000 Gohan (Masenko): 2,000,000 Frieza (final form): 3,000,000 Vegeta (healed): 2,500,000 Goku (recovery): 3,000,000 Frieza (30%): 40,000,000 - There's a bigger gap between these two than between Nail and Frieza, even at Frieza's full power Goku (kaio-ken x10): 30,000,000 Goku (kaio-ken x20): 60,000,000 Frieza (50%+ power): 60,000,000+ Large Spirit bomb: 100,000,000 Frieza: 20,000,000 Goku (SSJ): 100,000,000 Frieza (100%): 120,000,000 Goku (all out): 150,000,000 Goku (full power Kamehameha): 180,000,000 Frieza (battle aura): 160,000,000 Gohan (ultra enraged): 20,000,000 Frieza (worn out): 80,000,000 Goku (SSJ): 135,000,000 Frieza (cut in half): 1,000,000 Frieza (final ki attack): 25,000,000 Goku (angry Kamehameha): 100,000,000 Trunks Saga Vegeta: 3,200,000 Gohan: 1,000,000 Piccolo: 3,000,000 Krillin: 600,000 Tien: 420,000 Yamcha: 200,000 Chiaotzu: 110,000 Mecha Frieza (suppressed): 5,000,000 King Cold (suppressed, but not as much): 15,000,000 Trunks: 5,000,000 Trunks (SSJ): 200,000,000 Full power: 235,000,000 Mecha Frieza (full power): 160,000,000 King Cold (full power): 135,000,000 Goku: 5,400,000 Goku (SSJ): 220,000,000 Full power: 244,000,000 Androids Saga Goku: 10,000,000 Full Power: 35,000,000 Goku (SSJ): 376,000,000 Gohan: 5,700,000 Full Power: 18,000,000 Piccolo (weights, suppressed): 20,000,000 Krillin: 4,000,000 Full Power: 13,000,000 Yamcha: 2,800,000 Full Power: 9,700,000 Tien: 3,800,000 Full Power: 12,700,000 Yajirobe: 2,000 Android 20 (Dr. Gero): 100,000,000 Android 19: 100,000,000 Goku (heart virus): 6,000,000 Goku (SSJ, heart virus): 250,000,000 Android 20 (power absorbed): 220,000,000 Vegeta: 12,300,000 Full Power: 40,000,000 Vegeta (SSJ): 380,000,000 Trunks: 5,700,000 Full Power: 20,000,000 Piccolo (suppressed, weighted): 15,000,000 Android 20 (Piccolo's power absorbed): 113,000,000 Piccolo (no weights, powered up): 160,000,000 Android 17: 700,000,000 Android 18: 670,000,000 Vegeta (SSJ, full power): 400,000,000 Imperfect Cell Saga Piccolo (whole): 734,000,000 Imperfect Cell: 320,000,000 Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town): 520,000,000 Imperfect Cell (with Piccolo's arm): 550,000,000 Android 17 (powered up): 720,000,000 Piccolo (powered up): 740,000,000 Imperfect Cell (humans absorbed): 1,200,000,000 Piccolo (full power ki attack): 820,000,000 Piccolo (hurt): 500,000 Android 16: 1,240,000,000 Semi-Perfect Cell: 3,000,000,000 Tien (full power): 13,000,000 Neo Tri-beam: 150,000,000 - 2,500,000,000 - take your pick Vegeta: 79,000,000 Trunks: 75,000,000 Vegeta (ASSJ): 4,700,000,000 Trunks (ASSJ): 4,500,000,000 Krillin (Full power, enraged): 14,000,000 Kienzan: 56,000,000 Android 18 (full power): 700,000,000 Android 16 (damaged): 500,000,000 Perfect Cell Saga Perfect Cell (suppressed): 4,000,000,000 Perfect Cell (warming up): 6,500,000,000 Vegeta (ASSJ, FP): 5,200,000,000 Vegeta (Final Flash): 8,000,000,000 Trunks (ASSJ, FP): 5,100,000,000 Trunks (USSJ): 10,700,000,000 Cell: 7,000,000,000 Cell Games Saga Goku (MSSJ): 700,000,000 Gohan (MSSJ): 700,000,000 Goku ("about" 1/2 power): 6,500,000,000 Piccolo: 5,700,000,000 Cell: 7,000,000,000 Vegeta: 200,000,000 Trunks: 193,000,000 Mr. Satan: 19 Goku (MSSJ): 10,000,000,000 Cell: 10,800,000,000 Goku (FP): 12,000,000,000 Cell: 13,000,000,000 Gohan (FP): 13,800,000,000 Cell: 14,500,000,000 Cell Juniors: 9,500,000,000 Vegeta (SSJ): 9,000,000,000 Trunks (SSJ):8,840,000,000 Piccolo: 5,700,000,000 Gohan (SSJ2, suppressed): 14,000,000,000 Cell (FP): 16,800,000,000 Buff: 21,000,000,000 Gohan (SSJ2): 25,000,000,000 Super Perfect Cell: 24,000,000,000 Vegeta (enraged): 11,000,000,000 Gohan (SSJ2, hurt): 18,000,000,000 Gohan (SSJ2, Father-son Kamehameha): 27,000,000,000 Super Perfect Cell (Solar Kamehameha): 27,000,000,000 Vegeta (Big Bang): 14,000,000,000 Gohan (SSJ2, Father-son Kamehameha): 35,000,000,000 Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jan 17 2013, 03:10 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Jan 14 2013, 06:42 AM Post #2 |
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2800 Masenko > Kikoho. |
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| Accelerator | Jan 14 2013, 06:47 AM Post #3 |
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Personally, I'd put Dodoria and Zarbon a little higher than they are on your list..
Edited by Accelerator, Jan 14 2013, 06:48 AM.
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| * Crashbreaka | Jan 14 2013, 07:11 AM Post #4 |
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Wouldn't that be third form? |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 14 2013, 07:43 AM Post #5 |
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Why is Piccolo weaker than Android #20 pre-Kami? I'd widen the gap between Goku and Gohan. Right now Goku is about 80% of Gohan, and I think it'd be a bit bigger than that. Vegeta and Trunks only used Super Saiyan at the Games. |
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Jan 14 2013, 12:02 PM Post #6 |
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-RR SAGA:Too big a gap between Metallitron and pre water Goku. -BABA SAGA:How the hell did Kuririn jump from 80 to 97,in a few days,without doing anything special? -TIENSHINHAN SAGA:Move Yamcha closer to Kuririn,the bold one stated they were about the same.Widen the gap Cymbal/Tambourine,the latter was supposed to succeed where the first one had failed. -PICCOLO JR SAGA:Raise a little Mr.Popo and Kami.Mr.Popo beat Goku like nothing and Kami finger flicked him.Move Popo to 280 and Kami to 300. -SAIYANS SAGA:Kuririn's blast split into 5,so its initial power was 5x -NAMEK SAGA:Freeza's henchmen were supposed to easily beat PLs of 1000 Raise them to something like 1500-2000 Kuririn/Gohan were stated to be only a little over 10.000 -FREEZA SAGA:I think you should raise Freeza 2nd form full power at 1,6 mil,considering how well he beat weighted Namiccolo. -TRUNKS SAGA:Goku thought that either Piccolo or Vegeta had beaten Freeza,meaning Vegeta>Supressed Mecha Freeza.Besides,Vegeta never stopped training,you can't give him such minor gains. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 14 2013, 03:03 PM Post #7 |
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-Bacterian>Ranfan>Yamcha: Yamcha is the weakest of those since Roshi only used a wnd against him while Bacterian could handle Krillin , and Ranfan gave Nam a bad struggle. - Nam>Giran: Nam was almost equal to Goku FP , while Goku fought easier against Giran compared to Nam. - Yamcha should be near Krillin 22nd Budokai , since Krillin stated that he was about as strong as him. - Krillin/Yamcha > Tao. Goku considers them amazing , while Tao was trash to Tien. - Roshi is 139. A Fact. - Tien >/~ Weighted Goku. Goku couldn't keep up with weighted clothes , thats why he took them off , as Kami states that Goku fights a strong opponent. - Tien > Krillin in Saiyan saga. Its stated. - You have Krillin saiyan saga 1,900 , and then Krillin 1,500 Namek saga? Hilarious. - Frieza second form higher than Piccolo ? - Vegeta > Piccolo Trunks saga. Vegeta and Piccolo's gap should be the same as in Frieza saga - Humans are increased in 1 day? Why?How?When?Where? - Tri Beam of Tien should be near Semi Cell. - Vegeta>Trunks Post Rosat. |
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Jan 14 2013, 03:42 PM Post #8 |
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Kikoho gave Nappa a scare,as opposed to massenko.
Goku won the hand struggle and,after their even fight,Tien was out of breath,whereas Goku was like nothing had happened. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 14 2013, 03:52 PM Post #9 |
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Chapter: 177, P7.5-6, P8.1-2 Goku: “You’re a lot faster than before…! You’ve been suppressing your speed up until now.” Tenshinhan: “You’ve figured it out. So just like I thought, your speed alone hasn’t changed. Son, I’m sorry but I’m going to win this contest! You can follow me with your eyes, but your actual body can’t keep up! This is a critical weakness!” Goku: “I knew you were amazing! I didn’t think you’d get this fast!” Tien states that Goku couldn't keep up with him like that , and Goku considers him amazing and takes off to have the advantage. Chapter: 177, P9.2 Context: as Goku removes his weights while fighting Tenshinhan Shen: “Huh, so he’s already taking those off?...Seems he’s fighting quite an opponent.” Kami also expected Goku to do this against Piccolo , means Tien was powerful surprisily |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 14 2013, 08:35 PM Post #10 |
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Then explain everybody's reactions, and Nappa's burned hand from the Masenko while the Kikoho didn't even get through his armor. |
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| IllogicalGlory | Jan 14 2013, 08:37 PM Post #11 |
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Piccolo isn't really, he was just suppressed and weighted I'm not so sure, I thinks it's pretty much ok. Ok, that's what I thought |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 14 2013, 08:39 PM Post #12 |
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But you have his full power still lower than A20's (after absorptions), unless I'm reading the list wrong. Nah, I think it should be bigger. Gohan thought his dad's fight with Cell was child's play, and nothing Cell did (that was "one or two steps ahead" of Goku) could hurt Gohan. |
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| IllogicalGlory | Jan 14 2013, 08:43 PM Post #13 |
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1. Piccolo (no weights, powered up): 160,000,000 Android 20 (pre): 100,000,000 (post): 119,000,000 2. Changed |
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Jan 14 2013, 08:52 PM Post #14 |
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Tien was faster than weighted Goku,but what i brought up proves that,power wise,Goku was a little more.I also recall Tien saying something like ''I'm impressed by your power,but speed is the most important factor in battle'',meaning he acknowledged Goku as a little stronger and was planning to win by outspeeding him.
And you explain the bruises Nappa had after kikoho. Nappa's reaction to kikoho:''Whoah,don't scare me like that''.Also,the moment of the firing,he got a scared expression. Nappa's reaction to massenko:''2800 huh?'' and he smiles. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 14 2013, 09:55 PM Post #15 |
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The fact that Goku couldn't handle weighted clothes against Tien anymore states enough. |
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