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Another PL list (Buu saga not included)
Topic Started: Jan 14 2013, 06:21 AM (1,586 Views)
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Introduction: Daizenshuu PL's are considered, but often contradicted because I disagree.

Dragon Ball (PLs aren't perfect, don't have extensive knowledge)
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Saiyan Saga

Piccolo: 408
Goku: 416
Krillin: 206
Roshi: 139
Raditz: 1,300
Goku (using Kamehameha): 910
Piccolo (Makankosappo): 1330
Gohan (distressed): 710
Gohan (enraged): 1307
Raditz (battle-damaged): 500
Yamcha: 177
Tien: 250
Chiaoutzu: 149

King Yemma: 2,500
King Kai: 3,500
Kami: 315

Goku (arriving at King Kai's planet): 520

Saiyans arrive
Vegeta: 18,000
Nappa: 6,000 - holds back at first
Krillin: 1,740
Tien: 1,790
Yamcha: 1,430
Piccolo: 2,600
Gohan: 910
Chiaoutzu: 690
Saibamen: 1,200
Krillin (split blast): 1,500 each
Tien (spiritual Tri-Beam): 2,400
Krliin (Kienzan): 4,500
Gohan (enraged Masenko): 2,800

Goku: 5,000
Goku (powered up): 8,200
Nappa: 6,000
Goku (kaio-ken): 13,000
Vegeta: 18,000
Goku (Kaio-ken x2): 16,400
Goku (Kaio-ken x3): 24,600
Goku (kaio-ken x4): 32,800
Vegeta: 9,500
Vegeta (after creating fake moon): 6,500
Oozaru Vegeta: 65,000
Spirit Bomb: 290,000
Weak Spirit Bomb: 20,000
Krillin: 1,900
Gohan: 2,200
Yajirobe: 1,120
Vegeta: 3,400
Gohan (enraged): 3,000
Vegeta (after being hit by spirit bomb): 1,000
Oozaru Gohan: 10,000
Vegeta (after beating): 200
Krillin: 800

Namek Saga

Gohan: 1,500
Full Power: 2,400
Krillin: 1,500
Full Power: 2,200
Banan/Sui: 800
Frieza: 100,000
Zarbon: 22,000
Dodoria: 20,000
Cui: 18,800
Vegeta: 24,000
Namekian soldiers: 3,000
Namekians: 900-1,300
Frieza henchmen: 700-1,200
Dende: 50
Gohan (enraged): 4,000
Krillin: 2,200
Zarbon (monster form): 27,000
Appule: 1,000
Vegeta (healed): 30,000
Vegeta (full power): 29,900
Krillin (power unlocked): 14,000
Gohan (power unlocked): 18,500
Nail: 20,000
Guru: 5

Ginyu Force

Guldo: 9,000
Recoome: 41,000
Burter: 42,000
Jeice: 42,000
Ginyu (at rest): 55,000

Captain Ginyu Saga

Goku (arrival on Namek): 10,000
Goku (suppressed): 5,000
Goku (focused): 60,000 +/-
Vegeta (recovery): 50,000
Ginyu (serious): 87,000
Goku (serious): 85,000
Goku (kaio-ken x2): 180,000
Ginyu (full power, not seen): 120,000
Vegeta (fighting Jeice): 160,000
Nail: 42,000
Frieza (suppressed): 100,000
Dende (power unlocked): 2,000

Frieza Saga

Frieza: 530,000
Vegeta: 520,000
Gohan: 400,000
Krillin: 320,000
Frieza (2nd form): 1,000,000
Gohan (enraged): 1,200,000
Frieza (powered up): 1,300,000
Piccolo: 100,000
Piccolo (fusion with Nail): 1,200,000
Piccolo (fighting Frieza): 1,400,000
Frieza (full power): 1,500,000
Piccolo (full power, no weights): 1,700,000
Frieza (third form): 2,200,000
Gohan (Masenko): 2,000,000
Frieza (final form): 3,000,000
Vegeta (healed): 2,500,000
Goku (recovery): 3,000,000
Frieza (30%): 40,000,000 - There's a bigger gap between these two than between Nail and Frieza, even at Frieza's full power
Goku (kaio-ken x10): 30,000,000
Goku (kaio-ken x20): 60,000,000
Frieza (50%+ power): 60,000,000+
Large Spirit bomb: 100,000,000
Frieza: 20,000,000
Goku (SSJ): 100,000,000
Frieza (100%): 120,000,000
Goku (all out): 150,000,000
Goku (full power Kamehameha): 180,000,000
Frieza (battle aura): 160,000,000
Gohan (ultra enraged): 20,000,000
Frieza (worn out): 80,000,000
Goku (SSJ): 135,000,000
Frieza (cut in half): 1,000,000
Frieza (final ki attack): 25,000,000
Goku (angry Kamehameha): 100,000,000

Trunks Saga

Vegeta: 3,200,000
Gohan: 1,000,000
Piccolo: 3,000,000
Krillin: 600,000
Tien: 420,000
Yamcha: 200,000
Chiaotzu: 110,000
Mecha Frieza (suppressed): 5,000,000
King Cold (suppressed, but not as much): 15,000,000
Trunks: 5,000,000
Trunks (SSJ): 200,000,000
Full power: 235,000,000
Mecha Frieza (full power): 160,000,000
King Cold (full power): 135,000,000
Goku: 5,400,000
Goku (SSJ): 220,000,000
Full power: 244,000,000

Androids Saga

Goku: 10,000,000
Full Power: 35,000,000
Goku (SSJ): 376,000,000
Gohan: 5,700,000
Full Power: 18,000,000
Piccolo (weights, suppressed): 20,000,000
Krillin: 4,000,000
Full Power: 13,000,000
Yamcha: 2,800,000
Full Power: 9,700,000
Tien: 3,800,000
Full Power: 12,700,000
Yajirobe: 2,000
Android 20 (Dr. Gero): 100,000,000
Android 19: 100,000,000
Goku (heart virus): 6,000,000
Goku (SSJ, heart virus): 250,000,000
Android 20 (power absorbed): 220,000,000
Vegeta: 12,300,000
Full Power: 40,000,000
Vegeta (SSJ): 380,000,000

Trunks: 5,700,000
Full Power: 20,000,000
Piccolo (suppressed, weighted): 15,000,000
Android 20 (Piccolo's power absorbed): 113,000,000
Piccolo (no weights, powered up): 160,000,000
Android 17: 700,000,000
Android 18: 670,000,000
Vegeta (SSJ, full power): 400,000,000

Imperfect Cell Saga

Piccolo (whole): 734,000,000
Imperfect Cell: 320,000,000
Imperfect Cell (Ginger Town): 520,000,000
Imperfect Cell (with Piccolo's arm): 550,000,000
Android 17 (powered up): 720,000,000
Piccolo (powered up): 740,000,000
Imperfect Cell (humans absorbed): 1,200,000,000
Piccolo (full power ki attack): 820,000,000
Piccolo (hurt): 500,000
Android 16: 1,240,000,000
Semi-Perfect Cell: 3,000,000,000
Tien (full power): 13,000,000
Neo Tri-beam: 150,000,000 - 2,500,000,000 - take your pick
Vegeta: 79,000,000
Trunks: 75,000,000
Vegeta (ASSJ): 4,700,000,000
Trunks (ASSJ): 4,500,000,000
Krillin (Full power, enraged): 14,000,000
Kienzan: 56,000,000
Android 18 (full power): 700,000,000
Android 16 (damaged): 500,000,000

Perfect Cell Saga

Perfect Cell (suppressed): 4,000,000,000
Perfect Cell (warming up): 6,500,000,000
Vegeta (ASSJ, FP): 5,200,000,000
Vegeta (Final Flash): 8,000,000,000
Trunks (ASSJ, FP): 5,100,000,000
Trunks (USSJ): 10,700,000,000
Cell: 7,000,000,000

Cell Games Saga

Goku (MSSJ): 700,000,000
Gohan (MSSJ): 700,000,000
Goku ("about" 1/2 power): 6,500,000,000
Piccolo: 5,700,000,000
Cell: 7,000,000,000
Vegeta: 200,000,000
Trunks: 193,000,000

Mr. Satan: 19
Goku (MSSJ): 10,000,000,000
Cell: 10,800,000,000
Goku (FP): 12,000,000,000
Cell: 13,000,000,000
Gohan (FP): 13,800,000,000
Cell: 14,500,000,000
Cell Juniors: 9,500,000,000
Vegeta (SSJ): 9,000,000,000
Trunks (SSJ):8,840,000,000
Piccolo: 5,700,000,000
Gohan (SSJ2, suppressed): 14,000,000,000
Cell (FP): 16,800,000,000
Buff: 21,000,000,000
Gohan (SSJ2): 25,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell: 24,000,000,000
Vegeta (enraged): 11,000,000,000
Gohan (SSJ2, hurt): 18,000,000,000
Gohan (SSJ2, Father-son Kamehameha): 27,000,000,000
Super Perfect Cell (Solar Kamehameha): 27,000,000,000
Vegeta (Big Bang): 14,000,000,000
Gohan (SSJ2, Father-son Kamehameha): 35,000,000,000
Edited by IllogicalGlory, Jan 17 2013, 03:10 AM.
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2800 Masenko > Kikoho.
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Personally, I'd put Dodoria and Zarbon a little higher than they are on your list..
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Frieza (2nd form): 1,000,000
Gohan (enraged): 1,200,000
Frieza (powered up): 1,300,000
Piccolo: 100,000
Piccolo (fusion with Nail): 1,200,000
Piccolo (fighting Frieza): 1,400,000
Frieza (full power): 1,500,000
Piccolo (full power, no weights): 1,700,000
Frieza (second form): 2,200,000

Wouldn't that be third form?
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Why is Piccolo weaker than Android #20 pre-Kami?

I'd widen the gap between Goku and Gohan. Right now Goku is about 80% of Gohan, and I think it'd be a bit bigger than that.

Vegeta and Trunks only used Super Saiyan at the Games.
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-RR SAGA:Too big a gap between Metallitron and pre water Goku.
-BABA SAGA:How the hell did Kuririn jump from 80 to 97,in a few days,without doing anything special?
-TIENSHINHAN SAGA:Move Yamcha closer to Kuririn,the bold one stated they were about the same.Widen the gap Cymbal/Tambourine,the latter
was supposed to succeed where the first one had failed.
-PICCOLO JR SAGA:Raise a little Mr.Popo and Kami.Mr.Popo beat Goku like nothing and Kami finger flicked him.Move Popo to 280 and Kami to
300.
-SAIYANS SAGA:Kuririn's blast split into 5,so its initial power was 5x
-NAMEK SAGA:Freeza's henchmen were supposed to easily beat PLs of 1000 Raise them to something like 1500-2000 Kuririn/Gohan were stated to
be only a little over 10.000
-FREEZA SAGA:I think you should raise Freeza 2nd form full power at 1,6 mil,considering how well he beat weighted Namiccolo.
-TRUNKS SAGA:Goku thought that either Piccolo or Vegeta had beaten Freeza,meaning Vegeta>Supressed Mecha Freeza.Besides,Vegeta never
stopped training,you can't give him such minor gains.
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-Bacterian>Ranfan>Yamcha: Yamcha is the weakest of those since Roshi only used a wnd against him while Bacterian could handle Krillin , and Ranfan gave Nam a bad struggle.
- Nam>Giran: Nam was almost equal to Goku FP , while Goku fought easier against Giran compared to Nam.
- Yamcha should be near Krillin 22nd Budokai , since Krillin stated that he was about as strong as him.
- Krillin/Yamcha > Tao. Goku considers them amazing , while Tao was trash to Tien.
- Roshi is 139. A Fact.
- Tien >/~ Weighted Goku. Goku couldn't keep up with weighted clothes , thats why he took them off , as Kami states that Goku fights a strong opponent.
- Tien > Krillin in Saiyan saga. Its stated.
- You have Krillin saiyan saga 1,900 , and then Krillin 1,500 Namek saga? Hilarious.
- Frieza second form higher than Piccolo ?
- Vegeta > Piccolo Trunks saga. Vegeta and Piccolo's gap should be the same as in Frieza saga
- Humans are increased in 1 day? Why?How?When?Where?
- Tri Beam of Tien should be near Semi Cell.
- Vegeta>Trunks Post Rosat.
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Jan 14 2013, 06:42 AM
2800 Masenko > Kikoho.
Kikoho gave Nappa a scare,as opposed to massenko.


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Goku won the hand struggle and,after their even fight,Tien was out of breath,whereas Goku was like nothing had happened.
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Tien>/~Weighted Goku


Goku won the hand struggle and,after their even fight,Tien was out of breath,whereas Goku was like nothing had happened.

Chapter: 177, P7.5-6, P8.1-2
Goku: “You’re a lot faster than before…! You’ve been suppressing your speed up until now.”
Tenshinhan: “You’ve figured it out. So just like I thought, your speed alone hasn’t changed. Son, I’m sorry but I’m going to win this contest! You can follow me with your eyes, but your actual body can’t keep up! This is a critical weakness!”
Goku: “I knew you were amazing! I didn’t think you’d get this fast!”

Tien states that Goku couldn't keep up with him like that , and Goku considers him amazing and takes off to have the advantage.

Chapter: 177, P9.2
Context: as Goku removes his weights while fighting Tenshinhan
Shen: “Huh, so he’s already taking those off?...Seems he’s fighting quite an opponent.”

Kami also expected Goku to do this against Piccolo , means Tien was powerful surprisily
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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 14 2013, 06:42 AM
2800 Masenko > Kikoho.
Kikoho gave Nappa a scare,as opposed to massenko.
Then explain everybody's reactions, and Nappa's burned hand from the Masenko while the Kikoho didn't even get through his armor.
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Jan 14 2013, 07:43 AM
Why is Piccolo weaker than Android #20 pre-Kami?

I'd widen the gap between Goku and Gohan. Right now Goku is about 80% of Gohan, and I think it'd be a bit bigger than that.

Vegeta and Trunks only used Super Saiyan at the Games.
Piccolo isn't really, he was just suppressed and weighted

I'm not so sure, I thinks it's pretty much ok.

Ok, that's what I thought
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Jan 14 2013, 08:37 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 14 2013, 07:43 AM
Why is Piccolo weaker than Android #20 pre-Kami?

I'd widen the gap between Goku and Gohan. Right now Goku is about 80% of Gohan, and I think it'd be a bit bigger than that.

Vegeta and Trunks only used Super Saiyan at the Games.
Piccolo isn't really, he was just suppressed and weighted

I'm not so sure, I thinks it's pretty much ok.

Ok, that's what I thought
But you have his full power still lower than A20's (after absorptions), unless I'm reading the list wrong.

Nah, I think it should be bigger. Gohan thought his dad's fight with Cell was child's play, and nothing Cell did (that was "one or two steps ahead" of Goku) could hurt Gohan.
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Jan 14 2013, 08:39 PM
But you have his full power still lower than A20's (after absorptions), unless I'm reading the list wrong.

Nah, I think it should be bigger. Gohan thought his dad's fight with Cell was child's play, and nothing Cell did (that was "one or two steps ahead" of Goku) could hurt Gohan.
1. Piccolo (no weights, powered up): 160,000,000
Android 20 (pre): 100,000,000
(post): 119,000,000

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Jan 14 2013, 03:52 PM
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Tien>/~Weighted Goku


Goku won the hand struggle and,after their even fight,Tien was out of breath,whereas Goku was like nothing had happened.

Chapter: 177, P7.5-6, P8.1-2
Goku: “You’re a lot faster than before…! You’ve been suppressing your speed up until now.”
Tenshinhan: “You’ve figured it out. So just like I thought, your speed alone hasn’t changed. Son, I’m sorry but I’m going to win this contest! You can follow me with your eyes, but your actual body can’t keep up! This is a critical weakness!”
Goku: “I knew you were amazing! I didn’t think you’d get this fast!”

Tien states that Goku couldn't keep up with him like that , and Goku considers him amazing and takes off to have the advantage.

Chapter: 177, P9.2
Context: as Goku removes his weights while fighting Tenshinhan
Shen: “Huh, so he’s already taking those off?...Seems he’s fighting quite an opponent.”

Kami also expected Goku to do this against Piccolo , means Tien was powerful surprisily
Tien was faster than weighted Goku,but what i brought up proves that,power wise,Goku was a little more.I also recall Tien saying something like
''I'm impressed by your power,but speed is the most important factor in battle'',meaning he acknowledged Goku as a little stronger and was planning
to win by outspeeding him.

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Then,explain everyone's reactions and Nappa's burned hand from massenko,while kikoho didn't even get through his armor


And you explain the bruises Nappa had after kikoho.
Nappa's reaction to kikoho:''Whoah,don't scare me like that''.Also,the moment of the firing,he got a scared expression.
Nappa's reaction to massenko:''2800 huh?'' and he smiles.
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Jan 14 2013, 08:52 PM
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Jan 14 2013, 03:52 PM
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Tien>/~Weighted Goku


Goku won the hand struggle and,after their even fight,Tien was out of breath,whereas Goku was like nothing had happened.

Chapter: 177, P7.5-6, P8.1-2
Goku: “You’re a lot faster than before…! You’ve been suppressing your speed up until now.”
Tenshinhan: “You’ve figured it out. So just like I thought, your speed alone hasn’t changed. Son, I’m sorry but I’m going to win this contest! You can follow me with your eyes, but your actual body can’t keep up! This is a critical weakness!”
Goku: “I knew you were amazing! I didn’t think you’d get this fast!”

Tien states that Goku couldn't keep up with him like that , and Goku considers him amazing and takes off to have the advantage.

Chapter: 177, P9.2
Context: as Goku removes his weights while fighting Tenshinhan
Shen: “Huh, so he’s already taking those off?...Seems he’s fighting quite an opponent.”

Kami also expected Goku to do this against Piccolo , means Tien was powerful surprisily
Tien was faster than weighted Goku,but what i brought up proves that,power wise,Goku was a little more.I also recall Tien saying something like
''I'm impressed by your power,but speed is the most important factor in battle'',meaning he acknowledged Goku as a little stronger and was planning
to win by outspeeding him.

The fact that Goku couldn't handle weighted clothes against Tien anymore states enough.
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