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why diddnt they bring mystic gohan to kill kid boo
Topic Started: Jan 14 2013, 01:34 AM (4,305 Views)
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The thing is Toriyama-sensei often adds stories without planning ahead but with the Majin Boo Saga, he took it to the point of ridiculousness with all it's rampant indecisions.

It just jerks the viewers/readers around too much. For example, Goten/Trunks lost pretty much all their friends and families (along with almost all of humanity) to the pink monster yet all Gotenks does is goof around. That pissed me off really badly, even as a kid because he seemed all fired up and determined to make Majin Boo pay for what he's done then at the next episode, he's all like "OMG volleyball guis!!". It had me thinking "Where did that seriousness go? Did it just disappear?".

Seriously, Toriyama should have realized ***** like that doesn't work anymore. Also doesn't help that Gohan was serious about things when he was his age.
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He wasn't scared they would get absorbed, Vegeta outright knew they would ***** up. Why! Because they have nothing but ***** ups on their win and loss record. He wasn't letting Buu without the Kai influence get his hands on that kind of power, as it would be worse than Super Buu absorbing them since this one would be mad.

The daddies had to clean up the mess the little boys made once before, by getting themselves absorbed because they refused to try to win the fight and wanted to toy with Buu and humble him for their own ego.

Vegeta was smart, he relied on himself and Kakarot to be on the battle field, while everyone else stayed away from it inclufding their bumbling sons and the supreme kai
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Jan 14 2013, 04:07 PM
3. Genki-Dama [#BO3#GEN]
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P8.3-4
Context: after Vegeta tells Goku to make a Genki-Dama
Goku: “Hey! So it was the Genki-Dama you were thinking of!? It-it’s no use! Against Boo, no matter how much we gathered little bits of genki from all the Earthlings…”
Vegeta: “I told you, right? That those guys on Earth should take responsibility every now and then…! It won’t be just little bit. We’ll gather ki from them right up to their limits!”

This is what ticks me off. It's one thing if the Earth created a problem on its own and then took responsibility for it, but Vegeta has no right to declare the Earth needs to take responsibility for something that's is nearly his entire fault.
I disagree.

Vegeta watched them celebrate the baron Satan and declare their true ways of fighting /warrior as trickery and magic. Those people wouldn't be alive if he didn't kill off 19, help Gohan beat Cell when no one else lifted a finger, or give birth to Trunks who killed Frieza. Even killing the Ginyus indirectly saved earth. It was a thankless, payless job, for a guy who grew up in a world where weak died and the strong survived.

Time for them to take care of themselves and realize the severity of a situation and. Not simply right it off as trickery like with Cell, or like it never happened with Nappa.

Vegeta and Goku ain't going to be around forever to kill off every threat the planet faces. Goku thought the same thing, which is why he let the boys have a shot at being heroes, and it blew up in his face too. Vegeta just had sense to drain the humans of their energy and make them actually contribute something to a battle without actually being involved in it, same with the boys, Piccolo, Krillin, and the rest f the team
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Kblo247
Jan 15 2013, 03:17 AM
He wasn't scared they would get absorbed, Vegeta outright knew they would ***** up. Why! Because they have nothing but ***** ups on their win and loss record. He wasn't letting Buu without the Kai influence get his hands on that kind of power, as it would be worse than Super Buu absorbing them since this one would be mad.

The daddies had to clean up the mess the little boys made once before, by getting themselves absorbed because they refused to try to win the fight and wanted to toy with Buu and humble him for their own ego.

Vegeta was smart, he relied on himself and Kakarot to be on the battle field, while everyone else stayed away from it inclufding their bumbling sons and the supreme kai
Vegeta: Transform Freeza!

Now I won't blame Vegeta on this one yet, regardless of whatever Vegeta said, Freeza would have transformed. But now he's gotten a taste of what happens when he underestimates his opponent. He's now got an idea that "Hey, maybe it's not a good idea to let the opponent get more powerful."

Later...

Vegeta: Man just let Cell absorb the cyborgs, I'll beat him then."
Piccolo: You mean how you beat #18...oh wait lol...hurk hurk!
Vegeta: :@

And after that...

Vegeta: Go on Cell, get #18, not like you're going to get any more powerful than me.
Everyone: No! No! No! You're stupid! Stop it Vegeta!
*Cell transforms procedes to manhandle Vegeta*

Vegeta: Man, Kakarot's more powerful than me...how dare Kakarot be more powerful than I.

*kills thousands peopole and lets Babidi try to take control, effectively dooming the entire world because of his own...oh what's the word I'm looking for....oh yeah...EGO.*

Vegeta: Man Buu aint' all that, we can easily beat him with our...."
*Vegeta is soundly beaten to a pulp by Buu*

Vegeta wasn't smart at all. He was a stupid, idioitic so called warrior he was constantly fu*king up EVERYTHING. Worse, he was constantly making the same mistakes, over and over and over again. He was constantly endangering the lives of everyone around him, all of it because of his ego and pride. It's not the human's job to take care of their problems, none of the problem's are their fault in the first place. Buu was literally caused because of Vegeta's ineptitude to literally just let his so called pride just drop for a moment.

What Vegeta needs to do is fix the problems he created in the most logical and quickest way possible. Not tell the humans, who have been minding their own business, to fix the mistakes he made.

It would be one thing if Vegeta was like "Come on guys, we'll get the humans to help, and let them see that that sometimes they have to fight for themselves because we won't be there." But there very fact that he says "They need to take responsibility" No...that doesn't work. You don't take responsibility for something that isn't your fault. Telling humanity the aspect of how people may not be able to protect them and how they might need to stand up for themselves and then just saying "This is your fault, how dare you make Buu come out, take responsibility for your actions" when that so called has almost nothing to do with the humans is where it becomes BS for Vegeta, is two different things.
Edited by EMIYA, Jan 15 2013, 06:02 AM.
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Freiza: You as about weak as you is stupid.
Vegeta:What I am a warrior, my intellect is unmatched...
Frieza: Oh yeah well can you count
Vegeta:What.
Frieza: Muthafudga I said can you count
Vegeta: Of course I can you Idiot.
Vegeta*Thinking (How did he no I couldn't count)

Vegeta: Witness the power of the super saiy..... (Proceeds to get molested by friezas tail.)
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What the heck did I just read?
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That's from a video in the depths of Youtube :lol:
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Vegeta is actually the smartest warrior ever existed. From Planet Vegeta to Frieza's army to Planet Namek to Planet Earth , this guy knows everything and experienced those things. Its just like he was raised by Frieza being so evil.

Of course he made mistakes like blowing tournament up , but its not like is he dumb , I guess for the Saiyan race is , Pride > Everything else.

Vegeta is underrated if it comes for being smart , its just his pride stops that each time , for a example 19,Cell..

Vegeta=Genius of all Geniuses

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Jan 15 2013, 10:48 AM
Freiza: You as about weak as you is stupid.
Vegeta:What I am a warrior, my intellect is unmatched...
Frieza: Oh yeah well can you count
Vegeta:What.
Frieza: Muthafudga I said can you count
Vegeta: Of course I can you Idiot.
Vegeta*Thinking (How did he no I couldn't count)

Vegeta: Witness the power of the super saiy..... (Proceeds to get molested by friezas tail.)
That's not his tail he's beating him with. ;)
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Jan 15 2013, 01:13 PM
Vegeta is actually the smartest warrior ever existed. From Planet Vegeta to Frieza's army to Planet Namek to Planet Earth , this guy knows everything and experienced those things. Its just like he was raised by Frieza being so evil.

Of course he made mistakes like blowing tournament up , but its not like is he dumb , I guess for the Saiyan race is , Pride > Everything else.

Vegeta is underrated if it comes for being smart , its just his pride stops that each time , for a example 19,Cell..

Vegeta=Genius of all Geniuses

Even if you count all his stupid actions as pride he's hardly a genius. Bulma is a genius, Gohan is (probably) a genius. Vegeta has average intelligence imo, except when it comes to fighting. Sort of like Goku, although Goku is dumber when not fighting and smarter when it comes to fighting (as stated by Vegeta himself).
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Jan 14 2013, 01:44 AM
Goham was weaker than Kid Buu.
kid buu > Mystic Gohan ? :O

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Jan 15 2013, 01:58 PM
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Jan 15 2013, 01:13 PM
Vegeta is actually the smartest warrior ever existed. From Planet Vegeta to Frieza's army to Planet Namek to Planet Earth , this guy knows everything and experienced those things. Its just like he was raised by Frieza being so evil.

Of course he made mistakes like blowing tournament up , but its not like is he dumb , I guess for the Saiyan race is , Pride > Everything else.

Vegeta is underrated if it comes for being smart , its just his pride stops that each time , for a example 19,Cell..

Vegeta=Genius of all Geniuses

Even if you count all his stupid actions as pride he's hardly a genius. Bulma is a genius, Gohan is (probably) a genius. Vegeta has average intelligence imo, except when it comes to fighting. Sort of like Goku, although Goku is dumber when not fighting and smarter when it comes to fighting (as stated by Vegeta himself).
You think so ? Ok , Lets have a look at these quotes :

Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P11.5, P12.2-3
Context: Dodoria explains how stronger and stronger Saiyans like Vegeta were appearing.
Dodoria: “Th…the power of individual Saiyans is absolutely no match for L-Lord Freeza, but…If many Saiyans joined together, they would be-become quite troublesome…F-furthermore, among a small portion of Saiyans, outstanding warriors such as yourself were born, and had begun to increase…Since you weren’t a race who would obediently listen to orders if you started gaining power, at that point Lord Freeza thought that he needed to take steps…So he personally wiped out Planet Vegeta and the Saiyans along with it! But Vegeta! You should thank Lord Freeza! Since you, the prince, looked to have genius talent, he purposefully targeted the planet when you weren’t there!”

Chapter: 345 (DBZ 151), P6.1-2
Context: after Vegeta scares No.20 away with a bluff
Piccolo: “He really had lost a lot of stamina…when he confirmed that the androids sucked out energy with the palms of their hands…He ought to have lost if he had fought that No.20 guy…But he talked as if he still had something up his sleeve…Vegeta really is a fighting genius…He might have sur-surpassed…Goku…”

Chapter: 368 (DBZ 174), P12.7
Goku: “Vegeta is a genius…He ought to be able to surpass the Super Saiyan wall, but…”

Bulma is not a warrior , and Gohan a genius? He is far from genius.

Piccolo is close to him or just as genius as him , and Goku is genius when it comes to training.
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Jan 15 2013, 02:15 PM
Bulma is not a warrior , and Gohan a genius? He is far from genius.

Piccolo is close to him or just as genius as him , and Goku is genius when it comes to training.
I never claimed Bulma to be a warrior, just a genius. And Gohan must be extremely smart considering the amount of study he does and his job at the end of the series.

Look at my post:
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Vegeta has average intelligence imo, except when it comes to fighting.

I said except when it comes to fighting. Vegeta is extremely smart when it comes to fighting, but still not as smart as Goku. He's smarter than Goku when it comes to social knowledge (I'm assuming), but Bulma and many others are much smarter than Vegeta there, so he's not "The genius of all geniuses" in any aspect.
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Bulma and Gohan are pretty irrelevant on the battlefield if you go by that logic , but I know what you meant.
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Jan 15 2013, 01:43 PM
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Jan 15 2013, 10:48 AM
Freiza: You as about weak as you is stupid.
Vegeta:What I am a warrior, my intellect is unmatched...
Frieza: Oh yeah well can you count
Vegeta:What.
Frieza: Muthafudga I said can you count
Vegeta: Of course I can you Idiot.
Vegeta*Thinking (How did he no I couldn't count)

Vegeta: Witness the power of the super saiy..... (Proceeds to get molested by friezas tail.)
That's not his tail he's beating him with. ;)
Why in the Heck did I type no instead of Know.... and weak instead of short.
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