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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 11 2013, 06:59 AM (2,051 Views) | |
| + Clearin | Jan 11 2013, 07:38 PM Post #16 |
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I'm pretty sure Goku landed the kick judging by the position of Vegeta's legs in that panel and the fact the next panel shows a huge crash. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 11 2013, 07:45 PM Post #17 |
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I guess I could agree to that. Only helps in future debates anyhow. |
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| FamousBueller | Jan 11 2013, 07:56 PM Post #18 |
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I'm pretty sure vegeta had the upper hand because goku had his mind somewhere else But I have vegeta stronger at these times Vegeta vs goku - saiyan saga Vegeta - on namek Vegeta - after recoome Vegeta - after krillins blast Vegeta - against 19 Vegeta - after htc first time |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 11 2013, 08:49 PM Post #19 |
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Goku didn't have mind anywhere else until Boo powered up. |
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| + Havoc_Wreaker | Jan 11 2013, 09:06 PM Post #20 |
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well to be fair there was some off screen fighting that we dont get to see but it would be better if they did show more of the fight instead of them both agreeing to stop |
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| Dalmore | Jan 11 2013, 09:40 PM Post #21 |
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I don't care if Goku was the strongest, VEGIE WAS THE COOLEST! |
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| + miguelnuva | Jan 11 2013, 10:09 PM Post #22 |
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Vegeta was stronger Saiyan saga to Zarbon 2nd fight(Goku might gone over Vegeta here.) After Recoome Zenkai to end of 3 year training. Andorid battle to Goku ROSAT trip(We are told Vegeta is stronger but the characters led me to believe that gap is that big.) And that is it. |
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| 90sDBZ | Jan 11 2013, 11:16 PM Post #23 |
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Actually Vegeta technically wasn't stronger than Goku after the Recoome Zenkai. He was clearly no match for 2nd Form Frieza who was at around 1 million. Goku was at 90,000 without Kaioken so a Kaioken x10 would take him to 900,000 so would be almost enough to match 2nd Form Frieza and a Kaioken x20 would take Goku to 180,0000 and would destroy 2nd Form Frieza and maybe even give 3rd Form Frieza a run for his money.
Edited by 90sDBZ, Jan 11 2013, 11:22 PM.
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| "The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!" | |
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| Kblo247 | Jan 11 2013, 11:24 PM Post #24 |
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1,800,000 not 18,000,000 , which is weaker than Gohans burst and would get Goku killed. Vegeta was superior. If you want to talk their win loss record, Goku has never beat Vegeta in a one on one fight and had to be saved from death |
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| 90sDBZ | Jan 11 2013, 11:32 PM Post #25 |
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Yeah I realised my mistake with the numbers and corrected it right before you posted. But how do you have Gohan's burst being stronger than that? It's way over a million which is what Frieza was at. And Vegeta wouldn't even approach 2nd Form Frieza. Technically speaking he did beat Vegeta in GT when Baby was in his body. The 2nd fight wasn't finished. The 1st Vegeta only won because Goku's tail was sacrificed for the good of the earth. Edited by 90sDBZ, Jan 11 2013, 11:35 PM.
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| "The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!" | |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 11 2013, 11:48 PM Post #26 |
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1st fight Vegeta crushed Goku. Goku sacrificing his tail was his own choice and even if he had a tail he would lose considering he can't control his Oozaru form which Vegeta can. 2nd fight was Goku's mistake for being unguarded even if you had to know not to trust Vegeta , thats why Vegeta calls him being soft in battles. |
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| calivsak | Jan 12 2013, 12:20 AM Post #27 |
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im mainly talking about raw brute strength. goku mainly used ki multipliers but im talking about, like i said, raw brute hard hitting strength. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 12 2013, 01:31 AM Post #28 |
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No, technically speaking, he beat Vegeta's body and Baby's mind, so it wasn't really Vegeta. And so what about the tail? Vegeta won that fight decisively. |
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| Kblo247 | Jan 12 2013, 02:53 AM Post #29 |
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Gohans burst pushed Fireza to transform into his final form right after. I thought we were talking that second enraged burst by Gohan which eclipsed the others badly. His first burst vs second form Frieza was powerful, but Goku likely can't do kaioken x 20 before that zenkai and chamber healing anyhow as his stronger body couldn't even maintain the energy upsurge. Technically he beat Baby, but even then it wasn't clear cut. He didnt beat Vegetas mind or battle instincts, he beat the vessel. The first time they ever fought, Vegeta crushed him, and he did it with a technique. The fake moon is as much a technique as kaioken. Gohan and Krillin, literally saved his behind, and even Yajirobe had to help just to force him to retreat. The second fight they were technically even in the manga (anime showed Vegeta stomping a mud hole in him) Vegeta still knocked him out though. So point stands that Goku has never beat Vegeta on his own, in fact he's been left laying and needed to be saved each time they faced off (1 - Gohan and Krillin, 2 - Dende heals him, GT - if you count Baby, Kibitoshin stops him from being killed) |
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| 90sDBZ | Jan 12 2013, 12:15 PM Post #30 |
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I was talking about Gohan's first burst against 2nd Form Frieza. Goku could definitely surpass that imo while Vegeta was no match for 2nd form Frieza so that means that Goku>Post Recoome Zenkai Vegeta. Obviously he wouldn't surpass Gohan's burst against 3rd form Frieza but that has nothing to do with comparing Goku to Vegeta. I think he could manage a 20x kaioken personally. On earth he managed x4 and since then his power had increased more than tenfold so surely his body could just about handle x20 even before the zenkai. He'd trained himself to use higher levels of Kaioken on the way to namek. The zenkai he got after the Ginyu battle just increased his normal power if you ask me. Kaioken is a technique that needs to be perfected through training. |
| "The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!" | |
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