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Saiyans vs Nameks
Topic Started: Jan 10 2013, 09:19 PM (1,235 Views)
Alex D. Boss
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Lets have a wonderful debate

*gets popcorn*
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as a species, namekians are far superior. even dragon clan namekians average 3,000 pl as adults, while saiyans normally wouldn't even break 1,000. besides, strongest "normal" namekian is nail at 42,000, while strongest "normal" saiyan is nappa at 8,000. vegeta is stated to be a prodigy, so he doesn't count.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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Alex D. Boss
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Why doesn't Vegeta count?
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Cobra
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Not even a debate, they can transform into great ape.
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What? You wannah peace of me?

And that adds to a 10x increase....

and there is once in a thousand year legend that will pawn both sides....

But as a people and strategy the saiyens might win power or no power like the way they over threw the tuffles who were vastly more superior and more in number's than the saiyens....

But the nameks might stomp so the nameks have a large advantage....

Lets hope the saiyens breed more powerful warriors to fight...
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because he is a prodigy, not a normal saiyan. i said that. nappa is the strongest normal saiyan.

@oozaru. namekians can fuse.

oozaru nappa: 80,000.

nail fused with anybody: >80,000
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Alex D. Boss
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Vegeta looks like a normal saiyan to me. He is the prince , and King Vegeta is stronger than Nappa , unless you count non-canon.
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Nail is even more of a prodigy than Vegeta, 42,000 is not a normal namekian's PL. A warrior namekian is 3,000.

If the saiyans can't have Vegeta, then the nameks can't have Nail.
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nail was the only warrior namekian on the planet. as far as we know, every warrior would be as powerful as him. the only prodigy mentioned among the namekians was the child of katatz.

king vegeta does not canonically exist, iirc. he only appears in the anime and movies.

Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P11.5, P12.2-3
Context: Dodoria explains how stronger and stronger Saiyans like Vegeta were appearing.
Dodoria: “Th…the power of individual Saiyans is absolutely no match for L-Lord Freeza, but…If many Saiyans joined together, they would be-become quite troublesome…F-furthermore, among a small portion of Saiyans, outstanding warriors such as yourself were born, and had begun to increase…Since you weren’t a race who would obediently listen to orders if you started gaining power, at that point Lord Freeza thought that he needed to take steps…So he personally wiped out Planet Vegeta and the Saiyans along with it! But Vegeta! You should thank Lord Freeza! Since you, the prince, looked to have genius talent, he purposefully targeted the planet when you weren’t there!”

straight from dodoria's mouth. vegeta was a prodigy.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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How about if they fight as army? Would Nail handle them all?
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Jan 11 2013, 12:37 AM
nail was the only warrior namekian on the planet. as far as we know, every warrior would be as powerful as him. the only prodigy mentioned among the namekians was the child of katatz.

king vegeta does not canonically exist, iirc. he only appears in the anime and movies.

Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P11.5, P12.2-3
Context: Dodoria explains how stronger and stronger Saiyans like Vegeta were appearing.
Dodoria: “Th…the power of individual Saiyans is absolutely no match for L-Lord Freeza, but…If many Saiyans joined together, they would be-become quite troublesome…F-furthermore, among a small portion of Saiyans, outstanding warriors such as yourself were born, and had begun to increase…Since you weren’t a race who would obediently listen to orders if you started gaining power, at that point Lord Freeza thought that he needed to take steps…So he personally wiped out Planet Vegeta and the Saiyans along with it! But Vegeta! You should thank Lord Freeza! Since you, the prince, looked to have genius talent, he purposefully targeted the planet when you weren’t there!”

straight from dodoria's mouth. vegeta was a prodigy.
He might not exist with his 10,000+ BP, but he obviously has to exist in some way since he's acknowledged by Vegeta and the guy would need a father anyhow. :)
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I think Saiyans wins , Frieza feared from them , while he didn't care about the Nameks.
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Jan 11 2013, 06:24 PM
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Jan 11 2013, 12:37 AM
nail was the only warrior namekian on the planet. as far as we know, every warrior would be as powerful as him. the only prodigy mentioned among the namekians was the child of katatz.

king vegeta does not canonically exist, iirc. he only appears in the anime and movies.

Chapter: 257 (DBZ 63), P11.5, P12.2-3
Context: Dodoria explains how stronger and stronger Saiyans like Vegeta were appearing.
Dodoria: “Th…the power of individual Saiyans is absolutely no match for L-Lord Freeza, but…If many Saiyans joined together, they would be-become quite troublesome…F-furthermore, among a small portion of Saiyans, outstanding warriors such as yourself were born, and had begun to increase…Since you weren’t a race who would obediently listen to orders if you started gaining power, at that point Lord Freeza thought that he needed to take steps…So he personally wiped out Planet Vegeta and the Saiyans along with it! But Vegeta! You should thank Lord Freeza! Since you, the prince, looked to have genius talent, he purposefully targeted the planet when you weren’t there!”

straight from dodoria's mouth. vegeta was a prodigy.
He might not exist with his 10,000+ BP, but he obviously has to exist in some way since he's acknowledged by Vegeta and the guy would need a father anyhow. :)
oh, so he was mentioned in the manga? i'm not saying vegeta didn't have a dad, i mean the specific character "king vegeta" was never mentioned in the manga, iirc.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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saiyans potenial > nameks

if freeza was never a tryant , saiyans would be able to train and get much stronger

but freeza was ruling them and they didnt have i time for that so they didnt get as strong as they could


while nameks did whatever, to conculde

is the saiyans had free reign they win, easy

but if like at the start if the series where all they do is freezas work , they lose
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Pookie Powa!

Saiyans are more built for battle than Nameks are. Most of the nameks were 3000 PL, but a lot of them were adults. I could easily see adult saiyans reaching 10,000 PL if they continued fighting. I think what makes saiyans more built for battle is that damn zenkai crap. They get stronger after every near-death experience.

As far as tools for battle, Nameks are better equipped. They can stretch their body sizes, some can heal, they can regrow injured limbs, they get to their mature size faster, and can fuse with one another if need be. The dragon is also a sign of how powerful their race is.

I wouldn't say the saiyans' potential is more than the nameks' potential. We really don't know what the nameks' potential is because they didn't expose them. I remember Guru saying that if Piccolo was fused with Kami, he could have easily beaten Frieza like Goku eventually did as an SSJ. The issue is the rate of speed Piccolo gained his power. I feel saiyans have the upper-hand because of their ability to get stronger after a near death experience.

If you think about it, Piccolo was born later than Goku was. Piccolo had to grow on his own, gain PL, and somehow manage to catch up to the training Goku had his whole life. In other words, Goku was probably facing a 3 yr old Piccolo. I am saying this because Piccolo at the 23rd Tenchi Budokai tournament could have easily beaten Goku, and he kinda did. Piccolo owned Goku, but took his guard down for a second which is why he lost
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