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Topic Started: Jan 10 2013, 04:33 AM (12,734 Views)
Cal
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Was Gohan SSJ2 against Dabura?

Is Guru's power boost top 3 best boost in series?

Which dragon is more useful overall if you could only have one?

Just a few potential ones not power level related (or dominated by it).
Edited by Cal, Jan 10 2013, 05:26 AM.


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Progo, I'll think of a few tomorrow. Should ask the others to throw in suggestions too, for any topic.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Anyone who thinks Gohan was an SSj2 against Dabura I will debate whole heartedly against.
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We should definitely have more non-BP related topics, just to balance things out and gives those who don't debate so heavily in this section a better chance.
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-In the order of 1 to 3 list the potential unlocks in order from the least to the greatest, also take into account the time it takes for each one to be accomplished and the requirements for each one.

thats all i got for now
Edited by Goddess Ultimecia, Jan 10 2013, 05:31 AM.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

It's another power level kind of thing (It'll probably be common you know)

but

Super Buu vs SSj3 Gotenks. I know a few people who say Gotenks is stronger but I might be willing to argue a difference case for Supes domination.
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How does the whole Kid Boo/Super Boo/Fat Boo thang work? (more of a discussion, not so much a debate, but the winner would be whoever brings up the most interesting/plausible points, I guess)

can bodb goku moon bust???
Edited by Kyouks, Jan 10 2013, 05:30 AM.
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Jan 10 2013, 05:26 AM
Anyone who thinks Gohan was an SSj2 against Dabura I will debate whole heartedly against.
As a note since it's a debate event, you don't get to decide which side of the argument is your side. It's about using your dragonball information and debating skills to convince the judges you gave the BETTER case, not the RIGHT case.

I want to really stress this before this starts. You don't pick your side of the fence. You have to be good enough to have your side picked for you then defend it with all you have.
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Jan 10 2013, 05:32 AM
Brofist
Jan 10 2013, 05:26 AM
Anyone who thinks Gohan was an SSj2 against Dabura I will debate whole heartedly against.
As a note since it's a debate event, you don't get to decide which side of the argument is your side. It's about using your dragonball information and debating skills to convince the judges you gave the BETTER case, not the RIGHT case.

I want to really stress this before this starts. You don't pick your side of the fence. You have to be good enough to have your side picked for you then defend it with all you have.
That's honestly really stupid.

A debate is what happens when two oposing beliefs go against each other but the beliefs each person has is something they've believed for a while.

For example let's say I get the SSj2 Gohan vs Dabura topic and suddenly I'm forced to somehow argue that Gohan was an SSj2 even though all the information I have and believe dictates otherwise.

Basically what should hapen is once the topics are given we allow the users to pick those topics and see where we differentiate between each other. It's a lot better and a lot more fair than just randomly giving each person a specific debate especially if they end up not even agreeing with their point in the first place.

I might try to get the the SSj2 vs Dabura topic and say Gohan wasn't an SSj2. If someone thinks the opposite we debate our points, if nobody thinks that then obviously nobody particpating thinks Gohan was an SSj2. We don't need to force anyone to take a side.
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I'll take it easy on Kamikaze and all those trollers if they join.
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Jan 10 2013, 05:44 AM
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Jan 10 2013, 05:32 AM
Brofist
Jan 10 2013, 05:26 AM
Anyone who thinks Gohan was an SSj2 against Dabura I will debate whole heartedly against.
As a note since it's a debate event, you don't get to decide which side of the argument is your side. It's about using your dragonball information and debating skills to convince the judges you gave the BETTER case, not the RIGHT case.

I want to really stress this before this starts. You don't pick your side of the fence. You have to be good enough to have your side picked for you then defend it with all you have.
That's honestly really stupid.

A debate is what happens when two oposing beliefs go against each other but the beliefs each person has is something they've believed for a while.

For example let's say I get the SSj2 Gohan vs Dabura topic and suddenly I'm forced to somehow argue that Gohan was an SSj2 even though all the information I have and believe dictates otherwise.

Basically what should hapen is once the topics are given we allow the users to pick those topics and see where we differentiate between each other. It's a lot better and a lot more fair than just randomly giving each person a specific debate especially if they end up not even agreeing with their point in the first place.

I might try to get the the SSj2 vs Dabura topic and say Gohan wasn't an SSj2. If someone thinks the opposite we debate our points, if nobody thinks that then obviously nobody particpating thinks Gohan was an SSj2. We don't need to force anyone to take a side.
It's not stupid at all. Have you ever tried to better your debate skills? Do you know what best way to do that is? The best way is to pick a topic against what you think and argue for it. That simple. It's what debate teams are all about and having their argument presented for them is obvious procedure.

Granted, if you're just looking for an easy way out or easy win, then yea you're right. I would completely agree with you if this wasn't organized and was just a topic of opinions, but I didn't think that's what this was.

Either way though I think we should do it the way everybody wants and I doubt people here will agree with me because it would actually be about debate skills instead of discussion points people just want to try and make (which is a huge difference).

It's going to be very difficult to do what you suggest, but it's whatever. I'm just happy the forum is trying to do something on it's own, which i think is great. I wont host though. I wont jump in a lake and be surprised by the water when I know I can't swim which is what this will turn into if we go about it the way you suggest. So, I will watch on the sidelines and wish everybody luck this go around :)

I suggest Kyouka to host though, if he wants. i think he'd be good at it.


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Jan 10 2013, 05:57 AM
I suggest Kyouka to host though, if he wants. i think he'd be good at it.
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Not that I wouldn't want to, but that'd prolly be more of a handful than actually competing.

While I guess I'm fine with the "person with best points wins," I dunno how I feel about just getting a topic and preparing for it. It's essentially what real-life debate teams in high school and college do, though, getting a topic, a side, and procuring evidence for their side, etc.

Not sure if it matters for more or a veteran-type poster, Brofist (been around since MFG, woot woot!) but getting to know the material of the stuff you don't agree with helps to make you more aware of what counter arguments can be used against them (for future use, of course). Although if I were competing I'd prolly side with Brofist, because I'd be thinking less of the improving debate skills stuff. :P

I suggest a vote.....

EDIT: If I have to help host, then maybe I will. meh.
Edited by Kyouks, Jan 10 2013, 06:07 AM.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

It's actually very easy. I have a belief and someone else has a possible different belief. We debate our points and see who brings up the best suggestions. For example I could bring up some points that SSj2 Kid Gohan>Movie 10 Broly, but in the end my personal believes and points that I would usually make far outstrip the points I'd make on that topic.

It's unfair to force people into a side that they don't believe in and it's something the debate tournament should handle. If anything nobody should be forced to take a side instead we should be paired up into our usual match ups and then given a topic. that topic can be something we want or don't want but don't force us into a side. Instead we'll go in and state our point of views for each one and then any opposition of the views we have we can debate.

Using the SSj2 Gohan and Dabura example again. I and my opponent might both agree that Gohan was only an SSj but our reasons for it maybe substantially different. Therefore we can argue our points there without forcing us to take a side.
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Jan 10 2013, 06:05 AM


I suggest a vote.....

EDIT: If I have to help host, then maybe I will. meh.
Nah, I don't think we need a vote. Just go with the route Brofist said, I'm sure that's what most people were assuming anyways. I took the debate thing literally, which I shouldn't of. I actually do care about improving my debate skills and often pick sides I'm against to do so, but like you said I doubt anyone here really cares about the debate part. More of trying to prove you've always been right here with your opinions or w/e.

Edit @ Brofists post:

I know what you mean so go for it. Maybe it will be better that way anyway :=]:
Edited by Cal, Jan 10 2013, 06:10 AM.


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"I am the bone of my sword."

As long as there are different points of view, there's always something to debate. Even if two people come to the same conclusion the way they do so could be completely different. Plus if we get a topic that noboy seems to disagree on, it probably wasn't worth debating in the first place. This tournament I think is a way for peple to express their view points and in the end even if one person "wins" the debate, the opposing person may give good evidence to support their cause in some way. And those points they gave could be very insightful on later discussions.

In the end, it's not a "I win you lose" kind of thing, it's about the information each person puts in and that could help us in later debates and discussions when involving these topics.

Someone might give a really interesting point that could make people re-think or re-view their own points.
Edited by EMIYA, Jan 10 2013, 06:19 AM.
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