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Topic Started: Jan 10 2013, 04:33 AM (12,726 Views)
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Brofist
Jan 10 2013, 06:45 AM
Actually I had an idea. Instead of making this into a strictly tournament setting (Where opponents get knocked out) why don't we try this? We're paired up and a topic is given to each group. These topics are discussed and debated through each group. Until either both sides come to a conclusion or it goes on for a set amount of pages. (Don't want the debates to go on for too long)

Then...we have a seperate topic for each debate topic and that's where we, the other people discuss what we read and how its effected our view points. It's a nice way to see two different points of views being debated and then having a discussion on that debate. Keeping it strictly tournament based is going to lead to bias and in the end, the people who get knocked is because of that bias.

I can bet that the majority of people believe Gohan was only an SSj against Dabura, I know some people believe otherwise but the majority are of the SSj range. Therefore you're going to get terrible bias with a topic such as that unless someone presents such irrefutable evidence that its impossible to deny.


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Jan 10 2013, 06:51 AM
Brofist
Jan 10 2013, 06:45 AM
Actually I had an idea. Instead of making this into a strictly tournament setting (Where opponents get knocked out) why don't we try this? We're paired up and a topic is given to each group. These topics are discussed and debated through each group. Until either both sides come to a conclusion or it goes on for a set amount of pages. (Don't want the debates to go on for too long)

Then...we have a seperate topic for each debate topic and that's where we, the other people discuss what we read and how its effected our view points. It's a nice way to see two different points of views being debated and then having a discussion on that debate. Keeping it strictly tournament based is going to lead to bias and in the end, the people who get knocked is because of that bias.

I can bet that the majority of people believe Gohan was only an SSj against Dabura, I know some people believe otherwise but the majority are of the SSj range. Therefore you're going to get terrible bias with a topic such as that unless someone presents such irrefutable evidence that its impossible to deny.
i kno wher u got diz from... xD

So, doing this, it'd be more of 'winning' a single debate, but not a whole tourney?

Edit: Not exactly a 'winner', not necessarily that, but whichever side is most plausible.


Brofist
Jan 10 2013, 06:57 AM
I got it from the whole "Dabura vs Gohan" debate Grid and whoever his opponent was in Shinden. It was clear that when we voted while we might agree that the "opponent" gave some interesting points, we were automatically biased to believing a certain viewpoint. The exact same thing I can almost guarantee will happen here if we keep it strictly tournament setting (knocking people out each round) the votes are in the end going to be baised and that's really terrible.

That's why I suggested a discussion afterwards for each topic and as I mentioned it's not about who wins, it's about the informoration each side gives which gives us, the readers a new insight on the topic that we may or may not have looked into before even if our overall conclusion for the topic remains the same.


^^^^ If you guys are game for that, then you'd need only one more person to join up since that^ doesn't really involve the tourney aspect of it so much.
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Jan 11 2013, 12:22 AM
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Jan 11 2013, 12:11 AM
Dunno if you still need any judges, but if you do, I'd be game for that.
I'll sign you up Fact Checker, whaddya say?
I'm not terribly well versed in the manga, but I could read up on whatever battle I'm assigned.


Yeah, fact checker sounds good to me. Sounds fun.
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I can't speak for everyone, but I would have preferred a real tournament over a discussion, we can always have discussions, but we cant always go one on one.
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16 or 32? Which one Prof?
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Hurry My Curry
Jan 11 2013, 12:26 AM
I can't speak for everyone, but I would have preferred a real tournament over a discussion, we can always have discussions, but we cant always go one on one.
Yeah, this basically.
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Hurry My Curry
Jan 11 2013, 12:26 AM
I can't speak for everyone, but I would have preferred a real tournament over a discussion, we can always have discussions, but we cant always go one on one.
If that's aimed at me, it'd still be one-on-one, just that the brackets/getting knocked out part is taken out so there wouldn't be a need to have exactly 16 or 32 people.
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Hurry My Curry
Jan 11 2013, 12:26 AM
I can't speak for everyone, but I would have preferred a real tournament over a discussion, we can always have discussions, but we cant always go one on one.
Same. If this is just going to be a discussion, I'm not as interested. I was pumped for an actual tourney.
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You're the host, Hurry My Curry.
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I think you're misunderstanding, HMC.

There's a debate, 1 on 1, and then after the debate, there's a discussion topic to discuss who brought up better points, who "won", etc.
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Did too many people just drop out or change roles?
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I will do one of my manga specials after this tournament is done.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

If you have a tourney you're going to have some major bias with the votes I can promise you that right now. You can have your tournament if you want but the moment someone gets one of those SSj2 Gohan topic, there is going to be some major bias unless the other person somehow presents this new information that without a doubt proves their answer.
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Kiosko Iwannabegattsu
Jan 11 2013, 12:27 AM
Hurry My Curry
Jan 11 2013, 12:26 AM
I can't speak for everyone, but I would have preferred a real tournament over a discussion, we can always have discussions, but we cant always go one on one.
If that's aimed at me, it'd still be one-on-one, just that the brackets/getting knocked out part is taken out so there wouldn't be a need to have exactly 16 or 32 people.
I understood the idea, but I think people were expecting a real tournament where someone is crowned the winner. I don't see judging to be a problem, because this isn't about who is right. It's who debates better and lays out there points better. That's why these versus topics are no good, because there is going to be more points for one side than the other 85% of the time. Certain topics like base saiyans vs Piccolo, both sides can easily be argued, but SSjin 3 Gotenks vs Super Boo has far more evidence for SSjin 3 Gotenks. These need to be questions, not versus battles.

Edit - And about bias. That's why you have fact checkers/judges. KP and Kyooks (who are fact checkers), I can say from experience with them can judge who had a better argument without bias.
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I see what you mean. I'd rather have the tournament thing myself, but it was just an alternative in case the 16 or 32 people thing didn't work out.
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Pumped for this. Can we start soon?
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