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Super Saiyan
Topic Started: Jan 6 2013, 04:27 PM (3,339 Views)
* Crashbreaka
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@ Lunar - Why would Vegeta want a 300g gravity room and not use it?
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Who's to say he ever got it? :P
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Alex D. Boss
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I reckon Briefs would do it for him , since he *****ted in his pants.
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Jan 8 2013, 11:06 PM
the 400 tons was a possiabilty

and it does matter 40 tons is weighing him down

litterally weighing him down , he does not have grip,or hand actually holding it

it matters lifting 40 tons would be a much harder feat


example , i can lift up 100 pound box in the air

but if something is weighing me down on EACH LIMB that would be much harder

with higher wieght its harder like 300 pounds , 75 pounds on each limb good luck moving bud

and goku is stadning isnt he so he still supports the wieght


wearing weights is easier than lifting weights. simple physics. the closer the arm weight is to your elbow, the easier time you will have moving it. same with leg weights and knees.

400 tons is not a possibility. the weight was stated as 40 tons on that planet, so the weight is 40 tons on that planet. on earth, it would be 4 tons.

goku isn't standing, he is flying. he can easily support the weight with his ki, but he can't support the weight with his muscles. in other words, if goku knew telekinesis, he would have an easier time moving those weights if he wasn't touching them at all (in fact, he could probably move a planet with telekinesis).

@vegeta
oh, i'm sure he tried to use it at 300g. i'm simply saying nothing implies he was actually able to train at 300g, because the only gravity we ever see him train at is 150g, which is perfectly in line with what goku was training with.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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yeah thats why it was orginally a possibility of 400 tons , i just put it out there


sure placement is important but the weight is still on u

ur not moving around at such high weights but u would be more then likely to lift then since its easier

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Kai says Vegeta trained at 300G and Kai is more or less the manga. The only thing we have against Vegeta training under 300g is we didn't see everything else points to him doing so.
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kai is not "pretty much the manga". the only thing "pretty much the manga" is the manga. the manga doesn't state it, so it isn't stated. it is really that simple folks.

anime, movies, guidebooks, etc. are good for ideas and suggestions. they are not evidence in and of themselves. there is no evidence that vegeta ever actually trained in anything higher than 150g.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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lunar2
Jan 9 2013, 01:16 AM
kai is not "pretty much the manga". the only thing "pretty much the manga" is the manga. the manga doesn't state it, so it isn't stated. it is really that simple folks.

anime, movies, guidebooks, etc. are good for ideas and suggestions. they are not evidence in and of themselves. there is no evidence that vegeta ever actually trained in anything higher than 150g.
You really think Toriyama would make Vegeta ask for a 300g gravity machine, then not have him train in it without telling the readers?
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Good poin though ^, I think Dr.Briefd would accept it and make it and let Vegeta use the 300G , why not? Why shouldn't be?
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yes. you really think akira toriyama would have goku slaughter the RRA, and then have the lead scientist mysteriously appear with a whole intact backstory 13 years later? you think akira toriyama would have the strongest person in the universe be defeated by goku, and 2 dozen even stronger opponents pop up out of nowhere (even henchmen)? vegeta just bit off more than he could chew (again). no surprises there.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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Jan 9 2013, 01:32 AM
yes. you really think akira toriyama would have goku slaughter the RRA, and then have the lead scientist mysteriously appear with a whole intact backstory 13 years later? you think akira toriyama would have the strongest person in the universe be defeated by goku, and 2 dozen even stronger opponents pop up out of nowhere (even henchmen)? vegeta just bit off more than he could chew (again). no surprises there.
Except all of these things were told to us in the story.
Having Vegeta ask for a 300x gravity machine and never using it isn't.

He asked for one, we were never told he didn't use it, so logically he must have used it.
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i kinda agree

theres no reason do doubt it

all he says is how much he would weigh and thinks it would be mad

but never says i wont do it , doesnt say that its impossible

so we should assume it happened
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yeah. he used the machine. what you aren't getting is that having the machine does not imply that he was able to fully utilize it. there is no implication there.

if i go buy a gallon of milk, and say i'm going to sit down and drink it all, that does not imply that i was actually able to do it (it is impossible for most people, btw). all that is implied is that i planned on doing it, and that i probably attempted to do it. an implication of attempt is not an implication of success.

and, you never answered my question. if vegeta trained in 300g, why is it that the only time we actually see him in the gravity chamber, it is at 150g?
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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lunar2
Jan 9 2013, 01:51 AM
yeah. he used the machine. what you aren't getting is that having the machine does not imply that he was able to fully utilize it. there is no implication there.

if i go buy a gallon of milk, and say i'm going to sit down and drink it all, that does not imply that i was actually able to do it (it is impossible for most people, btw). all that is implied is that i planned on doing it, and that i probably attempted to do it. an implication of attempt is not an implication of success.

and, you never answered my question. if vegeta trained in 300g, why is it that the only time we actually see him in the gravity chamber, it is at 150g?
The major difference here is that DBZ is a story and the characters aren't real. I just highly doubt he'd give Vegeta a 300x Gravity machine then make it so he can't use it without telling the audience.

As for your question, it's possible Vegeta started on a higher gravity then moved down as time progressed, he was already sweating heavily and there was no indication of how much time had passed since he got in.
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and i doubt hes going 100 % all the time

lowering the gravity as the training is close to over could be some smart training methof
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