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Super Saiyan
Topic Started: Jan 6 2013, 04:27 PM (3,340 Views)
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Chapter: 336 (DBZ 142), P11.3-5
Brief: “Huh!? You…you say you want me to make you a 300-times gravity room!?”
Vegeta: “That’s right. It seems that Kakarot trained in 100-times gravity…I’m at least 3 times as much as him…”
Brief: “Th…that’s crazy…Ve…Vegeta, if you weigh 60 kilos…then you’ll become eigh…18 tons….”


I like to just keep it simple, and say 300x is the max they train at (IIRC).
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Most definitely. The normal Super Saiyan forms (SSj, MSSj, SSj2, SSj3, SSj4) and LSSj have correlational speed and strength increases to their power level rising. The Ascended Super Saiyan forms are unique in that speed is sacrificed for bulk and strength. This is the only major case I can think of where there is no speed increase correlational to the power level increase the form provides.
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Jan 8 2013, 03:38 AM
nah. raditz was an elite saiyan. his PL was <1,307. the average saiyan would be even weaker, and yet they lived on a 10g planet.
Raditz was a LOW Class Saiyan
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Vegeta implies in the Buu saga that he has reached 500g in training.
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Can you find the quote? I can only find the 300g one >_<
Edited by Crashbreaka, Jan 8 2013, 08:48 AM.
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Jan 8 2013, 08:47 AM
Can you find the quote? I can only find the 300g one >_<
I don't have the manga I just know in the Anime that Vegeta tells Pui-Pui he'd only have a chance at 500g.

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Hmm, I don't think that's in the manga, but I'm not sure.
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Canonically, I am fairly sure such a thing wasn't said. But, someone who has the manga on hand should check :p . I unfortunately do not. What I do have is a ladle. But, I need it to steal soup with.
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It isn't.

Chapter: 449 (DBZ 255), P11.2-3
Context: after Vegeta and Pui-Pui are teleported to Planet Zun
Pui-Pui: “Haah, haah, this is it for you! Th-the gravity here is 10 times that of Earth…! I was raised here!”
Vegeta: “So what?...I can’t even feel a mere x10 gravity…”

That's all there is.

EDIT: I also checked some raw scans just to be sure, the only number that's on there is 10, no 500.
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IMO, speed, strength(body strength), power(chi strength), agility, reflexes, feeling less pain, higher nerve sensitivity, brain has access to better thinking and uses more techniques more advanced and. . . well, in other words, EVERYTHING!
The only thing that doesn't change is personnality. . . and appetite :lolz: <_<
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nope. raditz was an elite saiyan. goku was the low class saiyan.

@gravity. the only gravity we ever see vegeta actually train in is 150g. if he was capable of actually using 300g, why wasn't he using it? also, unless you think vegeta is physically stronger than goku, he would have trouble moving his body weight at 300g in base. he wouldn't be able to train effectively.
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Raditz is a Elite Saiyan , since 1,200 was pretty huge for a average saiyan.
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Jan 8 2013, 07:18 PM
nope. raditz was an elite saiyan. goku was the low class saiyan.

@gravity. the only gravity we ever see vegeta actually train in is 150g. if he was capable of actually using 300g, why wasn't he using it? also, unless you think vegeta is physically stronger than goku, he would have trouble moving his body weight at 300g in base. he wouldn't be able to train effectively.
Vegeta uses 300g in all the animes and is implied to due so in manga. Gravity training and Goku's weight thing are just more of DBZ contradicting it's self.
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anime doesn't matter. vegeta is never implied to have actually used 300g in the manga. asking for a machine that can go to 3x what your rival can do does not imply that you can actually do that. it simply implies that you are a cocky SOB.

the manga never contradicts itself about physical strength (no one ever picks up anything that is definitely more than 40 tons).
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the 400 tons was a possiabilty

and it does matter 40 tons is weighing him down

litterally weighing him down , he does not have grip,or hand actually holding it

it matters lifting 40 tons would be a much harder feat


example , i can lift up 100 pound box in the air

but if something is weighing me down on EACH LIMB that would be much harder

with higher wieght its harder like 300 pounds , 75 pounds on each limb good luck moving bud

and goku is stadning isnt he so he still supports the wieght
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