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Super Saiyan
Topic Started: Jan 6 2013, 04:27 PM (3,336 Views)
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Does SSJ provide a major speed increase along with the power increase?
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Yes. The Power and Speed increases, in all SSJ Forms apart from ASSJ 2.
Edited by Revious83, Jan 6 2013, 04:33 PM.
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Alright thanks. That's what I thought. Anyways Goku went from <<<<<< Freeza speed to >> Freeza speed.
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speed increases based on the amount of ki you have. an ssj with a pl of 150,000,000 has the same speed as a base saiyan with a pl of 150,000,000. the only exception is ussj, which is so massive it actually slows you down. assj may not be as fast as it's power would suggest, either, but this was never actually stated.

i.e.

ssj 1 speed 1
assj 1.5 speed 1.4
ussj 3 speed 1.3
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Yes it does.
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It seems weird how the muscles on ascended forms can actually slow down the saiyan using the form. I mean they can move mountains and can cope with 400X earth's gravity but lose speed due to a few bulked up muscles. Being more powerful shouldn't make you any heavier considering Mr Satan could lift Vegeta in the Kid Buu saga.
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Shadow Realm >

ASSJ is the one that's just power right?
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It's the second one that comes after, 'USSJ', that's all power. But some say 'ASSJ' and 'USSJ', and then some say 'USSJ' and 'USSJ2'. :P Damn terms.
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Jan 8 2013, 12:41 AM
It seems weird how the muscles on ascended forms can actually slow down the saiyan using the form. I mean they can move mountains and can cope with 400X earth's gravity but lose speed due to a few bulked up muscles. Being more powerful shouldn't make you any heavier considering Mr Satan could lift Vegeta in the Kid Buu saga.
no one can move mountains, nor can anyone withstand 400g.

goku's maximum physical strength in base was to hold, but not lift, 40 tons + 10x his body weight (because he was in 10g at the time). that's only ~40.6 tons. now, in ssj he could easily train with those same 40 ton weights, but that's because ssj increased his physical strength, not because of the amount of ki he had, sine physical strength and ki are completely unrelated.

the highest gravity ever seen used was 150g, by vegeta and trunks in the buu arc. vegeta's gravity chamber is capable of going to 300g, but we never see him use it.
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it could be argued that since a kaio planet the gravity was 10 X earths so a possible 400 tons

and it was shadow boxing which is much harder then lifting , pushing ect... that amount of weight
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the weght of the gear was stated on that planet, so the numbers would be localized to that planet, not to earth. they were 40 tons there, while only 4 tons on earth, not 4 tons on a planet south kai probably never heard of, and 400 tons on the planet they were standing on.

goku wasn't even able to lift the weights in base, so whether he was shadow boxing or not isn't really relevant.
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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Jan 8 2013, 01:32 AM
it could be argued that since a kaio planet the gravity was 10 X earths so a possible 400 tons

and it was shadow boxing which is much harder then lifting , pushing ect... that amount of weight
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Not all planets Kai planets have 10x gravity, Hercule was easily moving and sprinting on Supreme Kai's planet.....

Wait, what if Hercule is stronger than we give him credit for?

Back to back world champion
Survive a hit from Cell
Survive a hit from Trunks and walks off like it didn't even hurt
Beaten #18 with one punch xD
Can handle 10x gravity
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Jan 8 2013, 03:24 AM
Yellow_Flash
Jan 8 2013, 01:32 AM
it could be argued that since a kaio planet the gravity was 10 X earths so a possible 400 tons

and it was shadow boxing which is much harder then lifting , pushing ect... that amount of weight
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Not all planets Kai planets have 10x gravity, Hercule was easily moving and sprinting on Supreme Kai's planet.....

Wait, what if Hercule is stronger than we give him credit for?

Back to back world champion
Survive a hit from Cell
Survive a hit from Trunks and walks off like it didn't even hurt
Beaten #18 with one punch xD
Can handle 10x gravity
1. The ring announcer said the competition had been very stale since Goku and them left. Meaning that Mr.Satan is nowhere near Goku in any Tournament

2.Cell nonchalantly backhanded Mr.Satan, i doubt he put much power into that one, all though smacking into that mountain and only getting a busted face could mean he's relatively strong for a human

3.I doubt Trunks even really tried with that punch, didnt Mr.Satan start tearing up after getting punched?

4.Android 18 made a deal with Satan. She would lose but she gets the prize money.

5. Unless it's stated that Supreme Kai's planet is 10x gravity i dont believe it. If however it is then Mr.Satan is nearing the 6,000-9,000 range in PL 0_0
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nah. raditz was an elite saiyan. his PL was <1,307. the average saiyan would be even weaker, and yet they lived on a 10g planet.

kaioshin's world is different than the other kai worlds. it isn't meant as a training place for the warriors of the afterlife, but as a sanctuary for the kaioshin.
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I thought vegeta trained in 300 while preparing for the androids?
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