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Goku, Piccolo, and Gotenks
Topic Started: Jan 6 2013, 05:11 AM (1,271 Views)
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When Goku told Piccolo that he told Boo a stronger fighter than him would come in two days, do you think only Piccolo heard him?

Yamcha, Mr. Popo, Dende, and I think Krillin (the image is really far away) are all within listening distance of about ten feet, give or take.

I know in the anime, Krillin is in between Goku and Piccolo while they're talking, but he's definitely not in the manga.

Note: This is NOT a debate about Gotenks's strength. All I want to know is if you think those four could've heard the conversation between Goku and Piccolo.
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I don't know.
But I do wanna know why you think this is interesting enough to make a thread? is there something any of them should or shouldn't have heard?
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I don't recall any of them saying anything about the fight. I figured they presumed they were just training to fight him in a general sense, not that the fight was in 2 days.
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When Initial Super Boo formed and Piccolo gets all
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Krillin brings up something like "but Goku said fusion would be the strongest, right?" (don't feel like getting exact line).
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You mean this?

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Chapter: 486 (DBZ 292), P2.2-6
Context: after Boo transforms into evil Boo
Piccolo: "...Have you noticed? ...This change in Majin Boo's ki ...He's changed...All due to some idiotic Earthlings...He's become pure evil, and his body has become more suited toward battle...Th-this...this..."
Kuririn: "Wha...What?...D-don't tell me you're saying this is bad!? ...It's al-alright! We've got the squirts' Fusion! Goku said that right? That Fusion was the strongest!"
Dende: "..."
Piccolo: "...That'd be nice, but..."
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Yeah that's it.
Krillin could be referring to another instance of Goku saying it, but I'm pretty sure every other instance just says they'll beat Boo, whereas Goku telling Piccolo that Gotenks will be stronger than him is the only one suggesting that he's the "strongest." I might be wrong though, but I feel sure.
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He could. But its doubtful. Goku hyped fusion up and that's what krillen refers to
my two cents

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Jan 6 2013, 05:17 AM
I don't know.
But I do wanna know why you think this is interesting enough to make a thread? is there something any of them should or shouldn't have heard?
Well, the more people who know about Goku claiming Gotenks would be the strongest, and the more people who don't bother contradicting it when Gotenks is born...see where I'm going with this? At least I'm assuming that's what KP is thinking.

Not a strength debate though so let's not get too caught up with that.
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Jan 6 2013, 05:27 AM
When Initial Super Boo formed and Piccolo gets all
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Krillin brings up something like "but Goku said fusion would be the strongest, right?" (don't feel like getting exact line).
The thing is, if Krillin heard Goku say Gotenks would be stronger than him, he also heard him say he couldn't have beaten Boo even if he'd gone all-out. That doesn't necessarily negate the strength aspect, but it makes the expectation of Gotenks's power even bigger.
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I dunno if that has to be the case. Goku's saying they'll definitely win, but that doesn't have to make him stronger by a large margin. If you go the "Gogeta definitely beats Bootenks but not Boohan" route, which I know you do, then you kinda get what I mean. But I see the logic and it prolly does make the most sense.

But he saw the fight and saw Goku with the edge, so he'd assume Fatty held back? Eh.
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Jan 6 2013, 10:30 AM
I dunno if that has to be the case. Goku's saying they'll definitely win, but that doesn't have to make him stronger by a large margin. If you go the "Gogeta definitely beats Bootenks but not Boohan" route, which I know you do, then you kinda get what I mean. But I see the logic and it prolly does make the most sense.

But he saw the fight and saw Goku with the edge, so he'd assume Fatty held back? Eh.
Could be.

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Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P10.5-8, P11.1-3
Piccolo: “Goku…There’s something I want to ask you while I’ve got the chance…[ ] …That Super Saiyan 3 thing earlier…if you had gone all-out, wouldn’t you have been able to defeat Majin Boo?...How about it, am I wrong?”
Goku: “Nah, I don’t know…When it comes to Majin Boo’s strength, it’s like a lie…I think that I probably couldn’t have won…”
Piccolo: “…Probably? Knowing you, why didn’t you try until the very end?...Does it have to do with that energy…?”
Goku: “No…I’m no longer a human who’s particularly even supposed to be here…I shouldn’t be the one to do it. It’d be better for these young guys to solve things somehow or another…After all, some other outrageous guy might show up eventually, right? …It's a nasty gamble, but…Seeing those two super-gifted squirts, it made me want to take this gamble…”

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Episode 247
Piccolo: "Goku, there's something I want to ask now, while I can."
Goku: "What's that?"
Piccolo: "With that Super Saiyan 3- If you had gone all-out, you could have defeated Boo, couldn't you have? How about it? Am I wrong?"
Goku: "Eh. I don't know. When it comes to Majin Boo's strength, everything's so unreal. I think that beating him would have probably have been impossible."
Piccolo: "Probably? Being that it was you, why didn't you try holding out until the end? Does it have something to do with that energy thing?"
Goku: "No... I'm a person who ain't particularly even supposed to be here. I shouldn't be the one to do it. This is a thing that living people ought to do something to solve. Even if I were to defeat him, someone else outrageous will appear at some time, right? It's a dangerous risk to take...but looking at those two ultra-prodigy squirts, I decided to try taking that risk."

This is covered in the anime because Krillin is sparring with Goten (quite evenly, I might add) in the background, but he's there to hear it in the manga.

If Goku has an edge over Fat Boo that everybody can clearly see, yet Goku is saying he can't win even if he goes all-out but Gotenks definitely will, then the gap has to be something even more than noticeable. I'd say it has to be at least a Vegeta-Dodoria kind of gap.

Meh, I'm getting too much into that part of the debate. I think I have my answer.
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If he's giving that convo any thought, then he could be wondering what da hell Goku's going on about like Piccolo or something. Goku says probably then goes on about how he's dead and shouldn't do it...either way, what do you think he'd be expecting? Someone who could thrash Goku? I think he'd have Goku ~ Fatty on his mind based on that convo, or some form of that. Then he gets desperate bringing up fusion even though initial Supa Boo is on a whole other level.
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Jan 6 2013, 11:03 AM
If he's giving that convo any thought, then he could be wondering what da hell Goku's going on about like Piccolo or something. Goku says probably then goes on about how he's dead and shouldn't do it...either way, what do you think he'd be expecting? Someone who could thrash Goku? I think he'd have Goku ~ Fatty on his mind based on that convo, or some form of that. Then he gets desperate bringing up fusion even though initial Supa Boo is on a whole other level.
Not necessarily thrash, but able to defeat without sustaining major wounds or something like that.
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I've always just made sure he could do that to Fatty without considering how the others thought Fatty stacked up. Piccolo's totally fine with SSJ Gotenks too.

So you think Krillin heard, then?
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Yeah, right now I'm thinking he did hear, which works well with the other quote Crashbreaka posted.

Then, of course, that just makes his hopefulness of Base Gotenks (pre) even weirder because he'd know he'd need a power at least on par with SSj3 Goku to do any kind of damage. He could've been thinking of a Super Saiyan Gotenks, though...
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