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Saiyan Flying Speed
Topic Started: Jan 5 2013, 03:58 PM (2,216 Views)
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Andro38Z
Jan 6 2013, 03:09 PM
Um, DSB what Gohan said in the top picture doesn't mean the full distance takes him 20 mins to cover.
He wasn't at his house when he said that. He may have traveled half the distance and he had 20 more mins till he arrives at Hercule City. Pure logic.
Andro , see the anime .. they made the 1000 km into 500 miles and the time 10 mins from 20 kins ... the calculation stays same .....

Also .. u can see Mt Pazou at the background in the anime

So , ur logic dont last


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Andro38Z
Jan 6 2013, 03:09 PM
Um, DSB what Gohan said in the top picture doesn't mean the full distance takes him 20 mins to cover.
He wasn't at his house when he said that. He may have traveled half the distance and he had 20 more mins till he arrives at Hercule City. Pure logic.
Would you be able to prove this?
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it is very simple. every statement in the manga is equally relevant, but they are not equally accurate.

nothing in the manga states how long snake way actually is. the legends say that snake way is 1,000,000 km long, but that is a rumor passed on by someone who's never even traveled on snake way. goku also flew straight back, he didn't run the road, decreasing the distance traveled drastically. and does snake way have any atmosphere, to cause wind resistance and slow him down? in other words, we are never told how far goku actually traveled, or what the conditions of that travel were.

tao pai pai flew at high altitude, where there is little wind resistance, and most likely used the flying technique to accelerate when he got there. he is a master of the crane style, after all, and therefore would know the crane style's signature technique.

gohan flew at low altitude. the distance was well known, and there was never given any reason to doubt the time stated except "fans want gohan to be faster than he is stated to be, so we're just going to ignore the numbers given". you can try to (reasonably) explain the numbers, but you can't ignore them. gohan has a maximum base speed of 3,000 kph in normal, cross country flight. he is capable of faster speeds in combat. they don't fly at their absolute maximum when travelling, because it is a drain on their ki and wears them out. that's why goku told gohan to slow down on the way to fight the androids, or he would tire himself out before the fight.
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It literally took me 5 minutes to read this because I kept reading it from right to left at first.
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Jan 6 2013, 08:07 PM
it is very simple. every statement in the manga is equally relevant, but they are not equally accurate.

nothing in the manga states how long snake way actually is. the legends say that snake way is 1,000,000 km long, but that is a rumor passed on by someone who's never even traveled on snake way. goku also flew straight back, he didn't run the road, decreasing the distance traveled drastically. and does snake way have any atmosphere, to cause wind resistance and slow him down? in other words, we are never told how far goku actually traveled, or what the conditions of that travel were.

tao pai pai flew at high altitude, where there is little wind resistance, and most likely used the flying technique to accelerate when he got there. he is a master of the crane style, after all, and therefore would know the crane style's signature technique.

gohan flew at low altitude. the distance was well known, and there was never given any reason to doubt the time stated except "fans want gohan to be faster than he is stated to be, so we're just going to ignore the numbers given". you can try to (reasonably) explain the numbers, but you can't ignore them. gohan has a maximum base speed of 3,000 kph in normal, cross country flight. he is capable of faster speeds in combat. they don't fly at their absolute maximum when travelling, because it is a drain on their ki and wears them out. that's why goku told gohan to slow down on the way to fight the androids, or he would tire himself out before the fight.
The geographical guide in one of the Daizenshuu says Snake Way is "approximately" 1,000,000km long, so it doesn't have to be exact, at least.
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I'm more interested in the line about the jet. 5 hours to travel 1,000KM? Really? That seems incredibly slow.
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So, do most agree with this feat here?

I do because it's stated, then again I have no care to over-project dbz character's speed because reaction fighting speed is amazingly above travel speed for me.
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@daiz. to be fair, anything from 500,000 km to 1,499,999 km is "approximately" 1,000,000 km. combined with the fact that the manga statement references a legend, rather than giving an exact number, and it's accurate to say we have no clue how far snake way actually is, except that it is very, very, long.

and we still don't know how far goku actually traveled on the way back, since he flew straight through, rather than run the road. and again, we don't know the conditions on snake way, such as air pressure relative to the earth. is flying snake way in 1-1 1/2 days impressive? certainly. is it necessarily out of line with other travel speed feats? no, because we are not given exact details like we are with gohan.

@jet. it was a jetcopter, actually, not a jet. that's still ~120 mph, which isn't bad for a personal aircraft.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

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everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Roshi house is around 10k KM , all the Z warriors were sweating how fast Goku went to Roshi's.

10KM = 6213 miles
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right. at the trunks saga, the ability to travel 6,000 miles in a few seconds is not only not doable, it's not even conceivable, which is what made that a perfect demonstration of goku's technique. that level of speed is only ever demonstrated by ssj pre rosat gotenks, who circled the earth 5 times in 3 minutes while in space. even that is slower than what it would take to match that example of IT.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Jan 6 2013, 09:12 PM
right. at the trunks saga, the ability to travel 6,000 miles in a few seconds is not only not doable, it's not even conceivable, which is what made that a perfect demonstration of goku's technique. that level of speed is only ever demonstrated by ssj pre rosat gotenks, who circled the earth 5 times in 3 minutes while in space. even that is slower than what it would take to match that example of IT.
Does SSJ3/Mystic increase speed by large margin?
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it's still based on ki, and the normal things that affect speed, like aerodynamics and such. that said, ssj3 is probably slightly slower than they should be in travel speed, because of all the hair catching the wind. it doesn't really affect fighting speed, though. the way you get a certain amount of ki doesn't matter. what matters is that you have it. so ssj3 goku could probably pull the same stunt as ssj gotenks, if he wanted to.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Jan 6 2013, 04:19 PM
Andro38Z
Jan 6 2013, 03:09 PM
Um, DSB what Gohan said in the top picture doesn't mean the full distance takes him 20 mins to cover.
He wasn't at his house when he said that. He may have traveled half the distance and he had 20 more mins till he arrives at Hercule City. Pure logic.
Andro , see the anime .. they made the 1000 km into 500 miles and the time 10 mins from 20 kins ... the calculation stays same .....

Also .. u can see Mt Pazou at the background in the anime

So , ur logic dont last


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I don't really relly on anime. In the manga it's just an ol' mountain. Just saying, we might missunderstand what he says.
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The only reason anyone even has a problem with this is because of Tao's derp feat. What was it again, threw a pillar that was Mach 14 or whatever and then jumped on it? Pfft, the pillar was obviously accelerating at first (for lack of a better word), so it hadn't gotten that fast once Tao jumped on. Silly billies!

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Yeah, what is up with people taking that seriously? Tao's pillar feat is something of an interesting novelty, but the calculations are seriously convoluted. There are no numbers stated or even implied by the manga, just Tao throwing a pillar and jumping on it IIRC.
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