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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 4 2013, 03:05 AM Post #16 |
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You don't need a sparring partner since Piccolo trained by himself , Tien has the capabilities to do it by himself too. |
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| Muyasuki | Jan 4 2013, 03:30 AM Post #17 |
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I don't really use the Daizenshuu to be honest. I only find the stuff applicable if it doesn't contradict what is seen in the manga, and for this saga (other than Nappa and possibly Piccolo, Chiaotzu, Yajoribe and Mr Popo) I don't see it being contradictory. In reference to Yamcha's battle with the Saibamen, there are two factors that I think are applicable to the "barely beat" part. The first is that this Saibaman was trying a lot harder than the one who had fought previously (against Tien). The second was that it wasn't that Yamcha barely beat him, it was that Yamcha was, well, having fun fighting it. That and I thought he beat it pretty handily. The only fault he had was that he underestimated its durability. The Saibaman knew it couldn't defeat Yamcha and knew what Vegeta was going to do to it, so it aimed for a draw (since it was going to die anyways). Edited by Muyasuki, Jan 4 2013, 02:22 PM.
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| Revious83 | Jan 4 2013, 08:43 AM Post #18 |
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Frieza Saga Tenshinhan 175.000 Krillin 170.000 Yamcha 120.000 Chiaotzu 60.000 Trunks Saga Tenshinhan 550.000 Krillin 520.000 Yamcha 350.000 Chiaotzu 180.000 Android Saga Tenshinhan 65.000.000 Krillin 50.000.000 Yamcha 28.000.000 Chiaotzu 6.000.000 Buu Saga Tenshinhan 450.000.000 Chiaotzu 90.000.000 Krillin 67.000.000 Yamcha 23.000.000 EOZ Tenshinhan 1.000.000.000 Chiaotzu 180.000.000 Krillin 60.000.000 Yamcha 20.000.000 |
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| + supersaqer | Jan 4 2013, 12:35 PM Post #19 |
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Freeza Saga: Krillin - 400,000 Tenshinhan - 275,000 Yamcha - 225,000 Chiautzo - 200,000 Yajirobe- 1,940 Post-Freeza Saga: Tenshinhan - 550,000 Krillin - 500,000 Yamcha - 450,000 Chiautzo - 400,000 Yajirobe - 3,880 Trunks Saga: Tenshinhan - 1,100,000 Krillin - 1,000,000 Yamcha - 900,000 Chiautzo - 800,000 Yajirobe - 7,760 Android Saga: Tenshinhan - 11,000,000 Krillin - 10,000,000 Yamcha - 9,000,000 Chiautzo - 8,000,000 Yajirobe - 15,520 Boo Saga: Tenshinhan - 133,100,000 Krillin - 121,000,000 Yamcha - 108,900,000 Chiautzo - 96,800,000 Yajirobe - 108,640 End of Z: Tenshinhan - 1,331,000,000 Krillin - 1,210,000,000 Yamcha - 1,089,000,000 Chiautzo - 968,000,000 Yajirobe - 1,086,400 Beginning of GT: Tenshinhan - 133,100,000,000 Krillin - 121,000,000,000 Yamcha - 108,900,000,000 Chiautzo - 96,800,000,000 Yajirobe - 10,864,000 Baby Saga: Tenshinhan - 266,200,000,000 Krillin - 242,000,000,000 Yamcha - 217,800,000,000 Chiautzo - 193,600,000,000 Yajirobe - 21,728,000 Super 17 Saga: Tenshinhan - 532,400,000,000 Krillin - 484,000,000,000 Yamcha - 435,600,000,000 Chiautzo - 387,200,000,000 Yajirobe - 43,456,000 Shadow Dragons Saga: Tenshinhan - 1,064,800,000,000 Krillin - 968,000,000,000 Yamcha - 871,200,000,000 Chiautzo - 774,400,000,000 Yajirobe - 86,912,000 |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 4 2013, 03:09 PM Post #20 |
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Frieza saga - Krillin > Tien , his chi was rising and surpasses Tiens in Frieza arc. Krillin should be 300K. Trunks saga - They could be higher like near a million , but its good. Android saga - The gap between Tien and Krillin is too big , I have Krillin a little bit higher than Tien in Android arc. Yamcha should be closer to them IMO. Buu saga/Eoz - Tien is too high compared to Krillin , Chiautzu> Krillin? What did Chiautzu do after Android arc? He can't increase that much all he does is watching Tien's training. Krillin should increase in Buu arc as we saw him train with 18 a short time atleast. |
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| Revious83 | Jan 4 2013, 03:26 PM Post #21 |
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Frieza saga, Trunk Saga- ii think Tien covered the gap by training Android Saga- I have Tien is stronger, but i'm not sure, could also be equal Buu Saga/EOZ- I'm pretty certain, Tien is on another level than Krillin, and i don't think Chiaotzu just sat around and did nothing. |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 4 2013, 03:57 PM Post #22 |
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Yeah but I don't think Chiautzu could increase that much , since he isn't even relevant after Trunks saga. Yamcha is close to the Earthlings in Android saga since he trained like them too for the androids. Krillin's chi was rising still , so I think Tien is close to Krillin. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 4 2013, 04:32 PM Post #23 |
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Yamcha did barely beat a Saibaman. It wasn't an easy victory, if you could really it that. And the others all had to use considerable effort to one-shot theirs as well, so I honestly wouldn't put them very far from Yamcha at this point. I wouldn't even put Piccolo above 2,200ish anymore. |
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| Zenet | Jan 4 2013, 04:59 PM Post #24 |
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do you have the humans stronger than base saiyans at android saga? |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 4 2013, 05:17 PM Post #25 |
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Humans should never be stronger than the Base Saiyans. That includes Goten and Trunks because their human halves are never relevant to the story like Gohan's. |
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| Zenet | Jan 4 2013, 05:40 PM Post #26 |
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I have three reasons why I think they surpassed base sayains 1) They appeared for the androids. 2) Tien holding of semi cell were piccolo attack did nothing to imperfect cell. 3) I believe the humans got the same boost that of piccolo "why not" ? |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 4 2013, 05:45 PM Post #27 |
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1. That doesn't prove humans > Base Saiyans. 2. That's like arguing Tenshinhan is stronger than Krillin because of the Shin Kikoho. Um, Krillin doesn't have the attack, so they're not comparable. Same situation here. 3. You can't give a character a random boost just because - you aren't the author. There has to be a plot reason for it. If your boost for the humans ends up relatively the same as Piccolo's coincidentally, OK, but don't do it on purpose just because you think "why not." That's illogical and lazy. |
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| Zenet | Jan 4 2013, 06:02 PM Post #28 |
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I don’t see Tien attack having a ridiculous multiplier I would believe more that Tien power skyrocketed and surpassed base sayians. In namek krillin got a huge boost for no practical reason but he had it to be relevant and not to be completely dwarfed by other characters I think its the same thing for android. Edited by Zenet, Jan 4 2013, 06:03 PM.
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| lunar2 | Jan 4 2013, 06:09 PM Post #29 |
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frieza: krillin: 375,000 tien: 36,600 yamcha: 29,600 chiaotzu: 12,200 trunks krillin: 1,500,000 tien: 311,100 yamcha: 189,440 chiaotzu: 103,700 android krillin: 96,000,000 tien: 38,887,500 yamcha: 12,124,160 chiaotzu: 12,962,500 buu krillin: 192,000,000 tien: 1,244,400,000 yamcha: 8,486,912 chiaotzu: 15,000,000 @frieza. krillin had to be strong enough to help against not only 1st form frieza, but also hypothetical 2nd form frieza (~650,000). the others are just 20x their saiyan saga PLs, which is the same increase goku and piccolo got from king kai's training. @trunks. i don't remember any implication that anyone didn't train between frieza and trunks (except gohan, of course). tien and chiaotzu get faster gains because they spar (i think tien trains using multiform as well, which is why chiaotzu is locked at 1/3 tien's power from saiyan saga to android saga, since he's fighting 4 opponents somewhat weaker than himself, rather than 1 opponent much stronger than himself), and yamcha, tien, and chiaotzu gained faster than krillin because he lost 4 months of training time. @androids. tien and chiaotzu continue to get accelerated gains up to here, when chiaotzu quits fighting. although yamcha is somewhat weaker than chiaotzu, he is stronger than the amount of power frieza showed on earth, and so (naively) thinks he can contribute, whereas chiaotzu compared himself to ssj goku and trunks, and so stayed home. plus yamcha has always been a bit cocky. @ buu. krillin, yamcha, and chiaotzu retired after the cell games (chiaotzu not stated, but he didn't fight anything in this saga to demonstrate any massive gains, so i figure he probably didn't do much besides stay in shape). krillin's training with #18 was enough to get back into shape, and significantly increased his power. tien got 2 good years of training in after the cell games, and then his body peaked, so he got the same reduced gains after that that goku and vegeta got (x2 per 5 years, give or take). |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 4 2013, 06:28 PM Post #30 |
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Krillin got a boost to keep up with Gohan and Vegeta, who were getting zenkais. That is plot requirement. Tenshinhan getting a random boost because you say so, hm, tell me where the plot required that because you're just sounding like a pretty big fanboy with no logic right now. |
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