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LSSJ Broly (Movie 10) vs Fat Buu
Topic Started: Jan 2 2013, 10:31 AM (4,539 Views)
GridZero
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Why are we even having this discussion here?

There's a place better suited for this and you all know it.
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It was just weird because I've heard all these things about "COH", and then I see him discrediting a sparring session that shows two people roughly even for no real reason, not to mention that you've already got an account on here that's not banned or anything.

Anyways, why's the sparring session bad? 2nd one, which shows them even.
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its bad because gohan is rusty as ***** from lack of training in 7 years and goten STILL could not land a hit on him and hes fairly skilled mind u he fights / trains like a boss

i think thats one of his main points
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 3 2013, 02:13 AM
It was just weird because I've heard all these things about "COH", and then I see him discrediting a sparring session that shows two people roughly even for no real reason, not to mention that you've already got an account on here that's not banned or anything.

Anyways, why's the sparring session bad? 2nd one, which shows them even.
I have changed my mind. So what? Gohan and Goten were sparring. That doesn't make them equals. Trunks and Vegeta were also sparring. Does that make them equal?

Chapter: 427 (DBZ 233), P12.2-6
Context: after Gohan and Goten spar a little bit
Goten: “But you really are amazing, big brother! I couldn’t even hit you once.”
Gohan: “You’re very gifted at grappling too, Goten! You really surprised me! I hadn’t known you were that good! If you train well, maybe you’ll be able to enter the Tenkaichi Budoukai too!”
Goten: “Really!? But Trunks is even stronger than me. We play-fight together!”
Gohan: “Really!? That’s how you guys have been playing?...*thinking* If I’m not careful, I’ll be outstripped…by these little squirts…”

Goten admits that Gohan is amazing since he couldn't even touch him, it's a pretty good inplication that there is a significant power gap here.

Finally:
Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3
Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo
Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!”
Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest

Notice How Gohan, Goku and Vegeta are the top 3 master. It he doesn't say that Goku and Vegeta are 2 of the top 5 master in the universe, again the boys are not worthy enough to be considered top masters of the universe, we also have Goku being unimpressed at the lookout with their full power..

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* Yu Narukami
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Izanagi!

Was Vegeta shown sweating and exerting a lot of effort when sparring with Trunks? Not really, he was only sweating because he had been training previously.

Nobody is suggesting that Goten and Trunks are higher than Goku and Vegeta, that's an implication that next to nobody on this forum holds.

Unless Gohan's lack of skill is horrendously bad, Goten has to be somewhere near him.
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This is painful to read.

It's like Slayer all over again.
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Izanagi!

Vegeta (Budokai) > Gohan (Budokai) >= Trunks (Budokai) ~ Goten (Budokai)

I don't really see the problem with this.
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Vegeta >>> kid trunks, because Vegeta >>> Gohan. Easy.

On top of that, Goku >>> Vegeta, so Goku being unimpressed means squat, as he was unimpressed with teen Gohan anyways.

Pretty sure that quote's from the 1st sparring session...
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Jan 3 2013, 02:27 AM
Vegeta (Budokai) > Gohan (Budokai) >= Trunks (Budokai) ~ Goten (Budokai)

I don't really see the problem with this.
Read the post I just posted. Nothing says the kids are near Gohan. Goten was unable to lay one hit on Gohan and Gohan was not even seriou. Goten even said Gohan was amazing because he was unable to touch him which show there is a huge gap between the. That proves you wrong. If the kids were near Gohan Pre Rosat so Post Rosat, they should be stronger than Vegeta.

Not to mention the fact that Base Saiyans > Piccolo > Base Kids (Post) >> Base Kids (Pre) plus my post above, the kids are nothing compared to the adults.

Power levels examples:

Base Goku=6,400,000,000
SSjin Goku=320,000,000,000
Base Vegeta=5,000,000,000
SSjin Vegeta=250,000,000,000
Base Gohan=3,600,000,000
SSjin Gohan=180,000,000,000
Base Trunks=380,000,000
SSjin Trunks=19,000,000,000
Base Goten=360,000,000
SSjin Goten=18,000,000,000

I have Gohan=10X Goten (Pre). Gohan stomps.
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Izanagi!

Why didn't Old Kai say 'two of the top 10 warriors in the universe' and include Yamcha?

The kids were completely irrelevant at this point. What, are they going to say ''Oh my God! Goten and Trunks are now as strong as us in our Super Saiyan forms!'' No.
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Base Saiyans > Piccolo?

Oh, boy.

We're getting trolled hard here.

Stop taking the bait, guys.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 3 2013, 02:33 AM
Vegeta >>> kid trunks, because Vegeta >>> Gohan. Easy.

On top of that, Goku >>> Vegeta, so Goku being unimpressed means squat, as he was unimpressed with teen Gohan anyways.

Pretty sure that quote's from the 1st sparring session...
Goku was not unimpressed with Teen Gohan but just disappointed because he slcked off, Goku didn't expect the kids to be around Gohan and he still asked them if it's all their power. He was not impressed which means the kids are not even close to the adults.

And you are ignoring Base Saiyans > Piccolo > Base Kids (Post) > Base Kids (Pre).

Gohan is leagues ahead of Goten.
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Even in their 1st sparring session, Goten forces Gohan into the air. Impossible with a 10x disadvantage..
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Naked Snake
Jan 3 2013, 02:38 AM
Why didn't Old Kai say 'two of the top 10 warriors in the universe' and include Yamcha?

The kids were completely irrelevant at this point. What, are they going to say ''Oh my God! Goten and Trunks are now as strong as us in our Super Saiyan forms!'' No.
Goku, Vegeta and Gohan are considered as the three top masters. The kids are nothing for them. He doesn't need to mention someone else. The fact is he was talking about Gohan as well, why not mentioning the kids if the kids are close to them? Goten was unable to touch Gohan who was not even serious. How can they be close to him?
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Izanagi!

Man, the trolling here is ridiculous.

SSJ2 Vegeta >>> SSJ Kids (Post)

Hardly in the same range.

I'm done, although I do look forward to much amusement from this topic
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