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How strong was Gohan in the Android saga?
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Topic Started: Dec 31 2012, 03:58 PM (5,317 Views)
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Jan 3 2013, 08:51 PM
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I always had Tien stronger than Krillin, even on Namek .I'd say Krillin was 30K tops before Frieza killed him, remember he was fighting on par or lower than 23k Ginyu and he had help from Gohan.I doubt dende healing gave him any power boost.Tien was training on King Kai's planet with 3 others, Goku did come out of King Kai's planet with a maximum of 32,000.I'd say Tien could have possibly gained some power close to that or even more.I wish the Ginyu fight on Kai's planet was canon.
After Cell saga Krillin could be stronger since he has 18 as a wife and potential training partner.
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Jan 3 2013, 08:52 PM
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Still 30k? That's impossible, Vegeta literally says Krillin's power, along with Gohan's, had been growing.
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Jan 3 2013, 09:17 PM
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Still 30k? That's impossible, Vegeta literally says Krillin's power, along with Gohan's, had been growing. He hasn't done anything impressive, he could barely fight against a 23k Ginyu.Yeah, Vegeta is right, Krillin power was growing it went from 2k to on earth to 30k on Namek imo.Krillin hasn't beaten anyone of true power on namek on his own or displayed heavy damage that wasn't a sneak attack.
Imo, I think Saiyan Saga Goku is stronger Namek Krillin
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Jan 3 2013, 09:21 PM
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Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5 Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed…These two’s battle power is steadily rising…”
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At a steady rate or pace (ie, "Krillin's power is rising [present-tense, not past-tense] at a steady rate)."
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Jan 3 2013, 09:26 PM
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Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5 Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed… These two’s battle power is steadily rising…” - Definition of steadily
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At a steady rate or pace (ie, "Krillin's power is rising [present-tense, not past-tense] at a steady rate)."
I'm not denying that, but how strong would you put Krillin?And please explain why?He couldn't beat a 23K Ginyu that holds merit
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Jan 3 2013, 09:33 PM
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- Jan 3 2013, 09:26 PM
He couldn't beat a 23K Ginyu that holds merit It holds merit for his power prior to the Freeza fight. During the Freeza fight, Vegeta claims his power was steadily rising, it'd have to be quite a bit higher than 30,000 by then.
He was still scared of Freeza before he powered up to clash with Vegeta, so maybe like around half of 1st form Freeza?
Btw, you should consider that Piccolo felt an outrageously large ki (Freeza), and then "three huge ki" along with that, so Krillin can't be like super-uber weak in comparison to Vegeta.
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Jan 3 2013, 09:47 PM
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Chapter: 295 (DBZ 101), P9.1-5 Vegeta: “We can win! If the 3 of us fight together, we’ll be able to win somehow or another! [ ] It seems that even Freeza hasn’t noticed… These two’s battle power is steadily rising…” - Definition of steadily
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At a steady rate or pace (ie, "Krillin's power is rising [present-tense, not past-tense] at a steady rate)."
I'm not denying that, but how strong would you put Krillin?And please explain why?He couldn't beat a 23K Ginyu that holds merit That's dookie. Krillin was doing just fine even by himself. He wasn't having any problem with Ginyu-Goku.
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Jan 3 2013, 09:53 PM
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He couldn't beat a 23K Ginyu that holds merit
It holds merit for his power prior to the Freeza fight. During the Freeza fight, Vegeta claims his power was steadily rising, it'd have to be quite a bit higher than 30,000 by then. He was still scared of Freeza before he powered up to clash with Vegeta, so maybe like around half of 1st form Freeza? Btw, you should consider that Piccolo felt an outrageously large ki (Freeza), and then "three huge ki" along with that, so Krillin can't be like super-uber weak in comparison to Vegeta. The highest Ki piccolo ever experienced was Nappa who was like 5k tops, not to mention everyone was dead on Namek besides like 8 people, so it isn't hard to find the Ki.
my power levels imo
Freiza 1st form 1,064,000 Vegeta 390,000 Gohan(enraged) 700,000 normal 40,000 Krillin 30,000 Goku (recovery) 3,000 Dende 200 Ginyu (Frog) 2.1 Bulma .6

I don't know how accurate these are but they look right , there is no way Krillin jumped from 13k to anything above 50k tops.He's not a saiyan and he does not get Zenkai effects.Sure he can get mad and raise his power a little, nothing special.
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Jan 3 2013, 09:58 PM
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It's not from getting mad or zenkais, it's from Guru's potential thing.
Piccolo's gotten vastly stronger on Kai's planet, and he's gonna think a level from 5k-30k is "big" in comparison to a level in the 100,000s? He makes a differentiation between 2nd form Freeza and Vegeta, why wouldn't he make one between Vegeta and Gohan/Krillin if they're that far apart?
Freeza's 1st form is 530k.
Not sure where that pic is from, but it only includes Gohan and Krillin from the Recoome fight.
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Jan 3 2013, 10:03 PM
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With gohan training wit piccolo and goku I would put his power a lil above goku-post yardrat
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Jan 3 2013, 10:03 PM
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He couldn't beat a 23K Ginyu that holds merit
It holds merit for his power prior to the Freeza fight. During the Freeza fight, Vegeta claims his power was steadily rising, it'd have to be quite a bit higher than 30,000 by then. He was still scared of Freeza before he powered up to clash with Vegeta, so maybe like around half of 1st form Freeza? Btw, you should consider that Piccolo felt an outrageously large ki (Freeza), and then "three huge ki" along with that, so Krillin can't be like super-uber weak in comparison to Vegeta.
The highest Ki piccolo ever experienced was Nappa who was like 5k tops, not to mention everyone was dead on Namek besides like 8 people, so it isn't hard to find the Ki. my power levels imo Freiza 1st form 1,064,000 Vegeta 390,000 Gohan(enraged) 700,000 normal 40,000 Krillin 30,000 Goku (recovery) 3,000 Dende 200 Ginyu (Frog) 2.1 Bulma .6  I don't know how accurate these are but they look right , there is no way Krillin jumped from 13k to anything above 50k tops.He's not a saiyan and he does not get Zenkai effects.Sure he can get mad and raise his power a little, nothing special. Bad levels are bad, sir.
Vegeta considered Krillin help against an expected 2nd Form Freeza, who he thought would be about 20% stronger than his first form like Zarbon. You aren't a help against someone unless you're at least half their power.
Krillin's power shot up to a little over 10k, and then jumped to nearly 30k just after fighting the Ginyu members. Later, Vegeta says his power is rising steadily and wants his help against Freeza.
50k against 530k? Doubtful.
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Jan 3 2013, 10:23 PM
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He couldn't beat a 23K Ginyu that holds merit
It holds merit for his power prior to the Freeza fight. During the Freeza fight, Vegeta claims his power was steadily rising, it'd have to be quite a bit higher than 30,000 by then. He was still scared of Freeza before he powered up to clash with Vegeta, so maybe like around half of 1st form Freeza? Btw, you should consider that Piccolo felt an outrageously large ki (Freeza), and then "three huge ki" along with that, so Krillin can't be like super-uber weak in comparison to Vegeta.
The highest Ki piccolo ever experienced was Nappa who was like 5k tops, not to mention everyone was dead on Namek besides like 8 people, so it isn't hard to find the Ki. my power levels imo Freiza 1st form 1,064,000 Vegeta 390,000 Gohan(enraged) 700,000 normal 40,000 Krillin 30,000 Goku (recovery) 3,000 Dende 200 Ginyu (Frog) 2.1 Bulma .6  I don't know how accurate these are but they look right , there is no way Krillin jumped from 13k to anything above 50k tops.He's not a saiyan and he does not get Zenkai effects.Sure he can get mad and raise his power a little, nothing special.
Bad levels are bad, sir. Vegeta considered Krillin help against an expected 2nd Form Freeza, who he thought would be about 20% stronger than his first form like Zarbon. You aren't a help against someone unless you're at least half their power. Krillin's power shot up to a little over 10k, and then jumped to nearly 30k just after fighting the Ginyu members. Later, Vegeta says his power is rising steadily and wants his help against Freeza. 50k against 530k? Doubtful. No way Krillin was 30K when he was fighting Ginyu, a 10% difference in power levels in that Saga meant total domination.
Vegeta 24K vs 18K Cui was a no curb fight
Vegeta 24k vs 19-20k Dodoria was a curb fight
Vegeta 24k vs base 22-23k Zarbon was a curb fight
Mon. Zarbon 30k vs 24k Vegeta was a curb fight. If krillin was 30k or higher <- would have happened
If Krillin was really 30K or higher by the time he fought Ginyu who was 23k, Ginyu would have gotten beaten within seconds and Gohan wouldn't have even been a factor.Not to mention Ginyu was in shock/stressed after finding out he had a low power level, which gave Krillin a chance to cheap shot him.
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He couldn't beat a 23K Ginyu that holds merit
It holds merit for his power prior to the Freeza fight. During the Freeza fight, Vegeta claims his power was steadily rising, it'd have to be quite a bit higher than 30,000 by then. He was still scared of Freeza before he powered up to clash with Vegeta, so maybe like around half of 1st form Freeza? Btw, you should consider that Piccolo felt an outrageously large ki (Freeza), and then "three huge ki" along with that, so Krillin can't be like super-uber weak in comparison to Vegeta.
The highest Ki piccolo ever experienced was Nappa who was like 5k tops, not to mention everyone was dead on Namek besides like 8 people, so it isn't hard to find the Ki. my power levels imo Freiza 1st form 1,064,000 Vegeta 390,000 Gohan(enraged) 700,000 normal 40,000 Krillin 30,000 Goku (recovery) 3,000 Dende 200 Ginyu (Frog) 2.1 Bulma .6  I don't know how accurate these are but they look right , there is no way Krillin jumped from 13k to anything above 50k tops.He's not a saiyan and he does not get Zenkai effects.Sure he can get mad and raise his power a little, nothing special.
Bad levels are bad, sir. Vegeta considered Krillin help against an expected 2nd Form Freeza, who he thought would be about 20% stronger than his first form like Zarbon. You aren't a help against someone unless you're at least half their power. Krillin's power shot up to a little over 10k, and then jumped to nearly 30k just after fighting the Ginyu members. Later, Vegeta says his power is rising steadily and wants his help against Freeza. 50k against 530k? Doubtful.
No way Krillin was 30K when he was fighting Ginyu, a 10% difference in power levels in that Saga meant total domination. Vegeta 24K vs 18K Cui was a no curb fight Vegeta 24k vs 19-20k Dodoria was a curb fight Vegeta 24k vs base 22-23k Zarbon was a curb fight Mon. Zarbon 30k vs 24k Vegeta was a curb fight. If krillin was 30k or higher <- would have happened If Krillin was really 30K or higher by the time he fought Ginyu who was 23k, Ginyu would have gotten beaten within seconds and Gohan wouldn't have even been a factor.Not to mention Ginyu was in shock/stressed after finding out he had a low power level, which gave Krillin a chance to cheap shot him. Have you read the manga or just seen the anime?
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He couldn't beat a 23K Ginyu that holds merit
It holds merit for his power prior to the Freeza fight. During the Freeza fight, Vegeta claims his power was steadily rising, it'd have to be quite a bit higher than 30,000 by then. He was still scared of Freeza before he powered up to clash with Vegeta, so maybe like around half of 1st form Freeza? Btw, you should consider that Piccolo felt an outrageously large ki (Freeza), and then "three huge ki" along with that, so Krillin can't be like super-uber weak in comparison to Vegeta.
The highest Ki piccolo ever experienced was Nappa who was like 5k tops, not to mention everyone was dead on Namek besides like 8 people, so it isn't hard to find the Ki. my power levels imo Freiza 1st form 1,064,000 Vegeta 390,000 Gohan(enraged) 700,000 normal 40,000 Krillin 30,000 Goku (recovery) 3,000 Dende 200 Ginyu (Frog) 2.1 Bulma .6  I don't know how accurate these are but they look right , there is no way Krillin jumped from 13k to anything above 50k tops.He's not a saiyan and he does not get Zenkai effects.Sure he can get mad and raise his power a little, nothing special.
Bad levels are bad, sir. Vegeta considered Krillin help against an expected 2nd Form Freeza, who he thought would be about 20% stronger than his first form like Zarbon. You aren't a help against someone unless you're at least half their power. Krillin's power shot up to a little over 10k, and then jumped to nearly 30k just after fighting the Ginyu members. Later, Vegeta says his power is rising steadily and wants his help against Freeza. 50k against 530k? Doubtful.
No way Krillin was 30K when he was fighting Ginyu, a 10% difference in power levels in that Saga meant total domination. Vegeta 24K vs 18K Cui was a no curb fight Vegeta 24k vs 19-20k Dodoria was a curb fight Vegeta 24k vs base 22-23k Zarbon was a curb fight Mon. Zarbon 30k vs 24k Vegeta was a curb fight. If krillin was 30k or higher <- would have happened If Krillin was really 30K or higher by the time he fought Ginyu who was 23k, Ginyu would have gotten beaten within seconds and Gohan wouldn't have even been a factor.Not to mention Ginyu was in shock/stressed after finding out he had a low power level, which gave Krillin a chance to cheap shot him.
Have you read the manga or just seen the anime? Both
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Jan 3 2013, 10:51 PM
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1st Form Frieza says himself that his power level in that form is 530,000.
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