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How strong was Gohan in the Android saga?
Topic Started: Dec 31 2012, 03:58 PM (5,318 Views)
Mike XL
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Tien Shinhan
Jan 3 2013, 03:00 AM
hapter 338 (DBZ 144), P9.6-7, P10.1
Context: the androids mistake Yamcha for Goku
No.20: “A human with an unusually high energy rating is heading this way…Is the search system malfunctioning?”
No.19: “It’s not a malfunction, No.20. I’m noting the same energy.”
No.20: “It greatly surpasses human data…”
No.19: “We’ve found him already…Son Goku.”

Here you go , son.

Yamcha close to Chiautzu? Then why would Goku allow him to come since he said that if you're weak dont show up. Yamcha least useful of the group thats for sure.

Chaozu was probably quite a bit stronger than Sayian saga Goku at that point, so that doesn't prove much.
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Jan 3 2013, 03:15 AM
Chaozu was probably quite a bit stronger than Sayian saga Goku at that point, so that doesn't prove much.
Look:

Chiautzu was not relevant to the Z fighters anymore so Tien lets him stay since he couldn't keep up.

Yamcha trains 3 years and gets stronger just like Tien/Krillin.

Yamcha is closer to those 2 than close to Chiautzu.

Thats all what I am saying now.
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I'd say gohan was about as strong as base Goku in namek.
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Argh, I hate having to do this, but I've compiled a few possible numbers

Krillin : 160
Tenshinhan : 155
Yamcha : 150

Base Vegeta : 120
(SSJ) : 1200

#19 (Pre) : 500
(Post) : 700-800

#20 (Pre) : 550
(Post) : 750

Piccolo (Suppressed) : 200
Piccolo (Full Power) : 900

If I had to put Gohan anywhere, it would be around the 200 mark, like Piccolo. Its suggested that he's >/>> Humans, even Yamcha said that he'd be of more use than him on the battlefield
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The status quo up to that point had been Goku > Vegeta > Piccolo > Gohan > Tenshinhan > Krillin > Yamcha > Chaozu. Trunks was not included because he hadn't been around long enough.

We are given statements that Vegeta surpassed Goku, so we can safely claim that changed.

We aren't given any information regarding Tenshinhan's power during or after Kaio's training compared to before, but we know Krillin gained a mountainous amount on Namek, coming to around half of 1st Form Freeza's power, if not more (that'd be at least about 265,000). The following arguments arise:

1) Tenshinhan was surpassed by Krillin on Namek and it stayed that way up until the Boo arc, coupled with Yamcha's quote that Krillin was the strongest among earthlings, AT stating Krillin was the strongest human, and a page from the Daizenshuu showing all the humans including Tenshinhan (so he wasn't considered a true alien at that point).

2) Tenshinhan was surpassed by Krillin on Namek but regained his superior position even as early as the arrival of Trunks, and it remained that way for the rest of the series.

3) Tenshinhan was never surpassed by Krillin on Namek and always remained superior.

I've found that #3 has no real merit, but the other two are equally plausible.

As for Gohan, he should remain ahead of the humans by a noticeable amount but clearly below Piccolo and the Super Saiyans. Nothing is implied or stated to have changed regarding his position in the pecking order.
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Would you say having him on Suppressed Piccolo's level of power is workable? He seems legitimately surprised when #20 'injures' Piccolo and he's grouped in with the 'trash' by Vegeta, I suppose.
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Suppressed Piccolo's said to be the 2nd strongest, not Gohan.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 3 2013, 06:10 PM
Suppressed Piccolo's said to be the 2nd strongest, not Gohan.
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How large would you say the gap is, then?
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Jan 3 2013, 06:13 PM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Jan 3 2013, 06:10 PM
Suppressed Piccolo's said to be the 2nd strongest, not Gohan.
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How large would you say the gap is, then?
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It doesn't have to be anything special, I personally have a rivaling gap. But one could argue that suppressed Piccolo ~ Gohan + Krillin + Tien, or at least > an addition of two of them because of Gero's statements about beating Vegeta with their power (u kno wut i mean), but I think that just leads to problems (being on *****den, u shud kno wut i mean).

Rivaling works best imo.
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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 3 2013, 06:00 PM
The following arguments arise:

1) Tenshinhan was surpassed by Krillin on Namek and it stayed that way up until the Boo arc, coupled with Yamcha's quote that Krillin was the strongest among earthlings, AT stating Krillin was the strongest human, and a page from the Daizenshuu showing all the humans including Tenshinhan (so he wasn't considered a true alien at that point).

2) Tenshinhan was surpassed by Krillin on Namek but regained his superior position even as early as the arrival of Trunks, and it remained that way for the rest of the series.

3) Tenshinhan was never surpassed by Krillin on Namek and always remained superior.
I'd personally go with 2.
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Jan 3 2013, 06:00 PM
We aren't given any information regarding Tenshinhan's power during or after Kaio's training compared to before, but we know Krillin gained a mountainous amount on Namek, coming to around half of 1st Form Freeza's power, if not more (that'd be at least about 265,000). The following arguments arise:

1) Tenshinhan was surpassed by Krillin on Namek and it stayed that way up until the Boo arc, coupled with Yamcha's quote that Krillin was the strongest among earthlings, AT stating Krillin was the strongest human, and a page from the Daizenshuu showing all the humans including Tenshinhan (so he wasn't considered a true alien at that point).

2) Tenshinhan was surpassed by Krillin on Namek but regained his superior position even as early as the arrival of Trunks, and it remained that way for the rest of the series.

3) Tenshinhan was never surpassed by Krillin on Namek and always remained superior.

I've found that #3 has no real merit, but the other two are equally plausible.
I don't know if there is any proof against it, but I always assume Krillin surpassed Tenshinhan on Namek and stayed the strongest human until the end of the Cell saga, which is about the last time he really trained, but then I imagine Tenshinhan surpassed him because he kept training and Krillin not so much.
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Yamcha called Krillin the strongest Earthling.

Doesn't change in the Boo Saga.

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Krillin is the strongest earthling stated by AT.

Of course in my own logic I have Tien surpassing in Buu arc , but yeah its stated..
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Piccolo (and everyone else actually) was surprised when they felt Super Saiya-jin Gohan's power at the cell games, saying that they didn't expect him to get him that strong. IMO he was a fair tad weaker than Goku, Vegeta and even suppressed Piccolo because the Z fighters were expecting his power to be much less than what it was.
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Jan 3 2013, 07:37 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 3 2013, 06:00 PM
We aren't given any information regarding Tenshinhan's power during or after Kaio's training compared to before, but we know Krillin gained a mountainous amount on Namek, coming to around half of 1st Form Freeza's power, if not more (that'd be at least about 265,000). The following arguments arise:

1) Tenshinhan was surpassed by Krillin on Namek and it stayed that way up until the Boo arc, coupled with Yamcha's quote that Krillin was the strongest among earthlings, AT stating Krillin was the strongest human, and a page from the Daizenshuu showing all the humans including Tenshinhan (so he wasn't considered a true alien at that point).

2) Tenshinhan was surpassed by Krillin on Namek but regained his superior position even as early as the arrival of Trunks, and it remained that way for the rest of the series.

3) Tenshinhan was never surpassed by Krillin on Namek and always remained superior.

I've found that #3 has no real merit, but the other two are equally plausible.
I don't know if there is any proof against it, but I always assume Krillin surpassed Tenshinhan on Namek and stayed the strongest human until the end of the Cell saga, which is about the last time he really trained, but then I imagine Tenshinhan surpassed him because he kept training and Krillin not so much.
That's generally what I go by, but I also delve much deeper into the events on Namek than the common fan. The common fan will most likely read the events and think Vegeta only wanted Krillin's help because the human had some nifty techniques, or they'll see his official battle power of 75,000 and think that's just fine. But me, I dissect the statements and power gaps, and I simply can't settle for Krillin being any less than half of 1st Form Freeza's power. When it comes to Tenshinhan, AT clearly didn't deem him relevant enough to mention in any power-related capacity, so I have no reason to think he gained any gigantic amount of power, unlike Krillin. That's why I have Krillin pretty far ahead of Tenshinhan by the end of Namek, with the latter catching up a bit by Trunks's arrival since the former isn't implied to have done much training since Namek, and then getting close but not surpassing him by the time the androids arrive.
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