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How strong was Gohan in the Android saga?
Topic Started: Dec 31 2012, 03:58 PM (5,319 Views)
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Didn't Piccolo said that Vegeta came in his way , when Gero beamed him.

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Jan 2 2013, 06:19 AM
Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
Tenshinhan had a lot of training on Kaiosamas planet. He also held back Cell with the shin kikoho, Piccolo and Android 16 couldn't even budge him. I don't buy the shin kikoho as being some insane multiplier, so Tenshinhan had to have a strong power level, at least around Gohans.
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Jan 2 2013, 06:19 AM
Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
Tenshinhan had a lot of training on Kaiosamas planet. He also held back Cell with the shin kikoho, Piccolo and Android 16 couldn't even budge him. I don't buy the shin kikoho as being some insane multiplier, so Tenshinhan had to have a strong power level, at least around Gohans.
Can you prove that?
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Jan 2 2013, 06:19 AM
Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
Tenshinhan had a lot of training on Kaiosamas planet. He also held back Cell with the shin kikoho, Piccolo and Android 16 couldn't even budge him. I don't buy the shin kikoho as being some insane multiplier, so Tenshinhan had to have a strong power level, at least around Gohans.
Can you prove that?
If the Shin Kikoho multiplier was that high, it'd be fusion level stuff. I don't think it's ever implied it's that powerful. Ten couldn't kill Nappa with the Kikoho, and he was about 45% of his PL.
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Jan 2 2013, 06:19 AM
Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
Tenshinhan had a lot of training on Kaiosamas planet. He also held back Cell with the shin kikoho, Piccolo and Android 16 couldn't even budge him. I don't buy the shin kikoho as being some insane multiplier, so Tenshinhan had to have a strong power level, at least around Gohans.
Can you prove that?
If the Shin Kikoho multiplier was that high, it'd be fusion level stuff. I don't think it's ever implied it's that powerful. Ten couldn't kill Nappa with the Kikoho, and he was about 45% of his PL.
They are different attacks.

But that doesn't constitute making Tenshinhan that strong regardless. He's stated to be nothing special along with the other humans. The status quo is not implied or stated to have changed, so Gohan should still be ahead of the humans at that point.
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Jan 2 2013, 06:19 AM
Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
Tenshinhan had a lot of training on Kaiosamas planet. He also held back Cell with the shin kikoho, Piccolo and Android 16 couldn't even budge him. I don't buy the shin kikoho as being some insane multiplier, so Tenshinhan had to have a strong power level, at least around Gohans.
Can you prove that?
If the Shin Kikoho multiplier was that high, it'd be fusion level stuff. I don't think it's ever implied it's that powerful. Ten couldn't kill Nappa with the Kikoho, and he was about 45% of his PL.
They are different attacks.

But that doesn't constitute making Tenshinhan that strong regardless. He's stated to be nothing special along with the other humans. The status quo is not implied or stated to have changed, so Gohan should still be ahead of the humans at that point.
The only ones ever stated to be strong were the adult Sayians and Piccolo. Gohan is lumped in with the others, so I don't see how Tenshinhan being his level is a stretch. I got Ten, Gohan, and Krillen 50% Freiza+, so while they aren't strong enough to face the Androids, they still aren't total weaklings like Yamcha and Chaozu.
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Yamcha and Chaozu aren't grouped together.
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Jan 2 2013, 08:14 PM
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Jan 2 2013, 06:19 AM
Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
Tenshinhan had a lot of training on Kaiosamas planet. He also held back Cell with the shin kikoho, Piccolo and Android 16 couldn't even budge him. I don't buy the shin kikoho as being some insane multiplier, so Tenshinhan had to have a strong power level, at least around Gohans.
Can you prove that?
If the Shin Kikoho multiplier was that high, it'd be fusion level stuff. I don't think it's ever implied it's that powerful. Ten couldn't kill Nappa with the Kikoho, and he was about 45% of his PL.
They are different attacks.

But that doesn't constitute making Tenshinhan that strong regardless. He's stated to be nothing special along with the other humans. The status quo is not implied or stated to have changed, so Gohan should still be ahead of the humans at that point.
The only ones ever stated to be strong were the adult Sayians and Piccolo. Gohan is lumped in with the others, so I don't see how Tenshinhan being his level is a stretch. I got Ten, Gohan, and Krillen 50% Freiza+, so while they aren't strong enough to face the Androids, they still aren't total weaklings like Yamcha and Chaozu.
Yamcha was grouped in with the other two humans, so he shouldn't be far from them. They should all be the same level relatively. You can lump them all together, sure, but Gohan should be the leader.
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Jan 2 2013, 06:19 AM
Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
Tenshinhan had a lot of training on Kaiosamas planet. He also held back Cell with the shin kikoho, Piccolo and Android 16 couldn't even budge him. I don't buy the shin kikoho as being some insane multiplier, so Tenshinhan had to have a strong power level, at least around Gohans.
Can you prove that?
If the Shin Kikoho multiplier was that high, it'd be fusion level stuff. I don't think it's ever implied it's that powerful. Ten couldn't kill Nappa with the Kikoho, and he was about 45% of his PL.
They are different attacks.

But that doesn't constitute making Tenshinhan that strong regardless. He's stated to be nothing special along with the other humans. The status quo is not implied or stated to have changed, so Gohan should still be ahead of the humans at that point.
The only ones ever stated to be strong were the adult Sayians and Piccolo. Gohan is lumped in with the others, so I don't see how Tenshinhan being his level is a stretch. I got Ten, Gohan, and Krillen 50% Freiza+, so while they aren't strong enough to face the Androids, they still aren't total weaklings like Yamcha and Chaozu.
Yamcha was grouped in with the other two humans, so he shouldn't be far from them. They should all be the same level relatively. You can lump them all together, sure, but Gohan should be the leader.
Yamcha probably was closer to Chaozu than Gohan/Ten/Krillen. He just didn't have someone like Tenshinhan telling him to stay the F home like Chaouzu did.
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Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
Tenshinhan had a lot of training on Kaiosamas planet. He also held back Cell with the shin kikoho, Piccolo and Android 16 couldn't even budge him. I don't buy the shin kikoho as being some insane multiplier, so Tenshinhan had to have a strong power level, at least around Gohans.
Can you prove that?
If the Shin Kikoho multiplier was that high, it'd be fusion level stuff. I don't think it's ever implied it's that powerful. Ten couldn't kill Nappa with the Kikoho, and he was about 45% of his PL.
They are different attacks.

But that doesn't constitute making Tenshinhan that strong regardless. He's stated to be nothing special along with the other humans. The status quo is not implied or stated to have changed, so Gohan should still be ahead of the humans at that point.
The only ones ever stated to be strong were the adult Sayians and Piccolo. Gohan is lumped in with the others, so I don't see how Tenshinhan being his level is a stretch. I got Ten, Gohan, and Krillen 50% Freiza+, so while they aren't strong enough to face the Androids, they still aren't total weaklings like Yamcha and Chaozu.
Yamcha was grouped in with the other two humans, so he shouldn't be far from them. They should all be the same level relatively. You can lump them all together, sure, but Gohan should be the leader.
Yamcha probably was closer to Chaozu than Gohan/Ten/Krillen. He just didn't have someone like Tenshinhan telling him to stay the F home like Chaouzu did.
That's conjecture. If AT didn't want a character there he wouldn't have put them in. He plot-devices Chaozu out but kept Yamcha in, so the conclusion should be that Yamcha is still somewhat close to the other humans.
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Jan 2 2013, 06:19 AM
Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
Tenshinhan had a lot of training on Kaiosamas planet. He also held back Cell with the shin kikoho, Piccolo and Android 16 couldn't even budge him. I don't buy the shin kikoho as being some insane multiplier, so Tenshinhan had to have a strong power level, at least around Gohans.
Can you prove that?
If the Shin Kikoho multiplier was that high, it'd be fusion level stuff. I don't think it's ever implied it's that powerful. Ten couldn't kill Nappa with the Kikoho, and he was about 45% of his PL.
They are different attacks.

But that doesn't constitute making Tenshinhan that strong regardless. He's stated to be nothing special along with the other humans. The status quo is not implied or stated to have changed, so Gohan should still be ahead of the humans at that point.
The only ones ever stated to be strong were the adult Sayians and Piccolo. Gohan is lumped in with the others, so I don't see how Tenshinhan being his level is a stretch. I got Ten, Gohan, and Krillen 50% Freiza+, so while they aren't strong enough to face the Androids, they still aren't total weaklings like Yamcha and Chaozu.
Yamcha was grouped in with the other two humans, so he shouldn't be far from them. They should all be the same level relatively. You can lump them all together, sure, but Gohan should be the leader.
Yamcha probably was closer to Chaozu than Gohan/Ten/Krillen. He just didn't have someone like Tenshinhan telling him to stay the F home like Chaouzu did.
That's conjecture. If AT didn't want a character there he wouldn't have put them in. He plot-devices Chaozu out but kept Yamcha in, so the conclusion should be that Yamcha is still somewhat close to the other humans.
It is conjecture, but it makes sense plot wise. He wanted someone as fodder for Android 20, and he had bigger plans for Gohan, Tenshinhan, and Krillen. Yamcha is a weakling who pretty much has no canon victories in the Dragonball series except for Budokai prelim weaklings and invisible man, so he was a perfect choice.
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hapter 338 (DBZ 144), P9.6-7, P10.1
Context: the androids mistake Yamcha for Goku
No.20: “A human with an unusually high energy rating is heading this way…Is the search system malfunctioning?”
No.19: “It’s not a malfunction, No.20. I’m noting the same energy.”
No.20: “It greatly surpasses human data…”
No.19: “We’ve found him already…Son Goku.”

Here you go , son.

Yamcha close to Chiautzu? Then why would Goku allow him to come since he said that if you're weak dont show up. Yamcha least useful of the group thats for sure.

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Jan 3 2013, 03:00 AM
hapter 338 (DBZ 144), P9.6-7, P10.1
Context: the androids mistake Yamcha for Goku
No.20: “A human with an unusually high energy rating is heading this way…Is the search system malfunctioning?”
No.19: “It’s not a malfunction, No.20. I’m noting the same energy.”
No.20: “It greatly surpasses human data…”
No.19: “We’ve found him already…Son Goku.”

Here you go , son.

Yamcha close to Chiautzu? Then why would Goku allow him to come since he said that if you're weak dont show up. Yamcha least useful of the group thats for sure.

Goku also wanted Yajirobe to fight lol.
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Jan 3 2013, 03:07 AM
Goku also wanted Yajirobe to fight lol.
Yajirobe was always showed to be useful though lol.

I believe that Yamcha is closer to Tien/Krillin than Chiautzu , thats what I wanted to tell to him.
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