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How strong was Gohan in the Android saga?
Topic Started: Dec 31 2012, 03:58 PM (5,320 Views)
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I don't blame you. I just know KP and his posting styles, so I can usually tell when he's fooling around.
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Dec 31 2012, 08:14 PM
Piccolo was suppressing his power, hence why Gero thought he was weak little turd before he got owned (if it was Piccolo's full power before merging, then him being weaker than Base Vegeta would make little sense :P).

"Holding back", if you will.
Oh... I was under the impression that Piccolo had just his ki lowered or hidden, as all these guys usually do when they aren't fighting. I mean, Gero thought Vegeta didn't stand a chance either until he saw him fighting, but do you think Piccolo back then could power up in a similar way to a SSJ? I thought that was after he rejoined Kami.

Anyway, going back to Gohan, I don't think he was that far from "full power" Piccolo at that point, I imagine that at least he was a little closer to Piccolo than to Krillin in strength.
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I put Gohan in the B team in Android saga: Gap difference

A team: Goku,Vegeta,Piccolo,Trunks

B team: Gohan,Tien,Krillin, ( Yamcha )
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No, if we're talkin FP Piccolo, then he'd be closer to Krillin. Gero calls everyone except Base Vegeta a "pesky fly" (after Vegeta saved Goku), and it's only Piccolo who contradicts Gero by owning him later, not to mention that Piccolo groups Gohan with the humans when telling them they can't handle the androids.

As for the RoSaT, those gains were f**king huge, since he went from being bottom tier to top tier. Looking at just the base increase, he went from way weaker than Freeza to way stronger than #18 (giving the fact that Goten and Trunks are around her level in base, but a bit weaker than a weaker version of Gohan).
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Mmm I dunno, I wouldn't rely much on Gero's estimations, he didn't seem to have any idea of what everyone's real powers were, at first he was sure none of them had improved much since the last info he had on them from the computer (which was pre-Namek) and only when he saw them fighting did he realize their real power, but only a few of them fought "full power".

My guess was that Gohan had already surpassed the humans on the Namek saga after Guru brought out his potential. Then he got even stronger from 2 near death experiences (when he fought Recoom and Freeza), and then he trained for 3 years with Goku and Piccolo, obviously not anywhere near as intensely as he did in RoSaT, but I was assuming he was closer to Piccolo than the humans after all that. But I really don't know, you could be right, it's pure guess work in here.
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If intial ssj is x50

Ssj gohan >= Ssj goku > piccolo > goku > gohan
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Femme, if Gero's wrong, then he'd be contradicted. Trolliyama's a troll but he's not that big of a troll. If we can't take the only statements about his strength (which are only supported by Piccolo later), then we got nothin'.

If it means much to you, Gero stating that adding Krillin, Tien, Gohan, and suppressed Piccolo to his own power would allow him to beat Vegeta at least means that Gohan should blow any base Saiyans from before the android saga outta the water.
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Haha Trolliyama's, that's........ accurate xD

I remain unconvinced, Gero's estimations don't sound reliable to me and I take his power measuring like the scouters' (meaning, they don't factor in power fluctuation), I think we got about nothing besides the certainty of Gohan not being the weakest Z fighter but also not as strong as Piccolo at his strongest.

But thank you for indulging me sweetie, it's been very illuminating ^^
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K fine, here's the last card.

Trolliyama's Toriyama's narration or guessing? :P
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U tried <3

Just so you know, I'm not convinced with my opinion either. And you certainly gave me things to think about regarding Piccolo's abilities at that point.
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Slightly weaker than Tenshinhan, slightly stronger than Krillen.
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Eh, I don't know how he'd end up weaker than any of the humans when he started out so much stronger and had better training partners.
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Gap prolly did lessen a bit for plot purposes, that's it though.
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This thread made me remember something.

When Gero beamed Piccolo, why was Gohan worried? Wouldn't he know Piccolo was clearly suppressed?

Gohan had a brain fart or something?
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I'm guessing he either overestimated the level of the beam, as Piccolo emphasizes that an attack of that level couldn't harm him, or Toriyama didn't have Piccolo's insane power in mind just yet.

As for the latter explanation, it's actually a bit possible, as the only reason Piccolo would've done that was so he could sneak around Gero, catch 19 off-guard and get him off of Goku (IIRC, he even implies this, although I can't check). There'd be no reason for him to do that if he was superior, and yet he is superior, so I'm guessing Toriyama didn't think of giving Piccolo his awesome powa until later. At this point in the story, Piccolo's still not at that kinda level in AT's mind (although he'd still be at a level in which he could survive Gero's beams easily, at least ensuring that he's above Gohan and the humans). Considering that AT thinks up stuff for new chapters the week he releases them, I wouldn't be so surprised if this were the case.

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