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I'd like to copy the way Battle Power did to his power levels, so don't say that I copied him or anything bad.
Hope you like it, and you are free to correct me. Edits: -Changed "The search for the fourth Dragon Ball" Full Strength Goku from 129 to 135. -Changed "Uranai Baba's Trial" Mummy Man from 135 to 140. -Changed "Uranai Baba's Trial" Devil Man from 140 to 145. Other changes will be made later in the day, or tomorrow. Edited by supersaqer, Jan 3 2013, 08:00 AM.
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1. Yamcha was stronger than Krillin. Goku was said to be weaker without his tail and Yamcha lost because he was worked about his looks whereas Krillin was a helpless dog aganist Goku. 2. Jackie Chun - 139 and Yamcha - 99? That's only a 1.4x gap Chun beat Yamcha with freakin WIND.......meaning he was worlds worlds stronger than him he should be anywhere from 3x Yamcha's power level and also not to mention that Roshi wasn't even serious. 3. Goku and Chun were completely equal. Chun couldn't do anything to beat Goku he had to use hypnotizes and resort to his ultimate killer technique known as the Lightning Surprise Attack. 4. Red Ribbon Army Goku was stated to have gotten stronger since the tournament. 5. The gap between Blue and Tao is way too low ironcally you have the gap between BoDB Goku and Yamcha bigger than this one when Yamcha was blocking hits and not suffering to much damage from Goku's hits besides getting his tooth knocked out whereas Blue couldn't ley a finger on Tao, his paralysis technique failed to do jack and got killed by a toungue. 6. Fangs [if that's what you mean by Dracula Man] wasn't stronger than Krillin he won based off ability which is because his a vampire he can suck blood causing Krillin to lose from blood lost. 7. There should be more of a gap between Mummy- kun and Akkuman Master Roshi mentioned something about fourth fighter that usually fights before Akkuman and I also highly doubt that Baba's fighters would not even be 1.05x stronger than the next. This is one of the reason why the early dbz power levels fail in db era. 8. King Chappa was about equal with Baba Goku judging by Chun, Yamcha and Krillin suspecting that he would give Goku a hell of a fight and Chun saying that this fight would decide if Goku has gotten any stronger or not. And we all know Krillin was able to hold his own aganist Match Level Goku and Yamcha is said to be nearly equal to Krillin so both should be above Baba Goku. 9. 22nd Krillin > Tambourine? I dont understand this at all. Tambourine killed Krillin with one light kick but yet his weaker?!? 10. Yaijorbe was fighting evenly with Pre Super God Water Goku. Goku even said that his the strongest person his ever fought. 11. Cymbal was many times weaker than Tambourine even Piano called him weak. 12. You have Roshi at 165 during the tournament now in King Piccolo arc you have him at 180, what? How did he get any stronger? 13. Korin stated that Pre Super God Water Goku surpassed him and there was nothing more he could teach him. 14. You also completly ignored King Piccolo's statements such as Old King Piccolo using under half of his power aganist Goku and Surpressed Prime King Piccolo thinking that he would stomp a Goku he just saw one shot his son then Surpressed Goku beating Surpressed King Piccolo than him using his full power and easily outclassing Goku than Goku uses his full power and they become even. Of course if you did all of that though they wouldn't fit with early dbz power levels. 15. Tien said that Weighted Goku was far stronger than Super God Water Goku from three years. 16. The gap between Super God Water Goku and Kami is way too small also. 17. To make the best power level list in db. I think it would be best to ignore the early dbz levels they contradict the statements and feats of db. |
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So,to make this clear,you say that you want to copy,but you're asking me not to say that you copied?What the hell? Anyway,to your list: -Why do you have Mummy and Devil so close to Goku?He took them out with one hit each. -22nd:Too big a gap between Kuririn and Chaotzu.They had a pretty close fight. -Cymbal>Yadjirobe w/o sword?The fatso was ruling in this fight.Furthermore,you have Cymbal at 140 and the sword attack that cut him into two at 145,which is less than 1,04x a gap.Are you serious? |
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Thanks Animelover to recorrect it. Oh and , why are the 23nd Budokai Pwls same as BoDBZ? What did they do 5 years? Drinking a coffee? Specially Piccolo and Tien who wanted revenge from Goku. |
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Include a level for Goku without his tail. Krillin should not be so close to full health Goku, considering that a tailless Goku lolpwned him. Yamcha seems a bit far from Goku's full strength too, I'd bump him up to 8.5, maybe 9. If anyone had the edge, it was Goku. Goku was trumping Chun's abilities and techniques left and right, Chun resorted to using hypnosis and a move that could potentially kill Goku. Either they're exact equals or Goku's got the edge. Goku wasn't at full strength when he became an Oozaru. Korin's training was stated to have increased his power multifolds. 129 to 155 isn't multifolds. Post Karin Goku should be at least ~ Buff Roshi, as Karin stated that Goku might have surpassed him by then. Goku when fighting Blue was stronger than Goku at the 21st Budokai, as stated by Krillin. There was a zenkai somewhere along the line, either after the Budokai, after Muscle Tower, or both. Dracula Man oughta be weaker than Krillin, he couldn't much without sucking Krillin's blood IIRC. Roshi doesn't think Goku from the 21st Budokai could've beaten Mummy. Goku at the 21st should at least be ~ Roshi, so Mummy should, in turn, be > Roshi. Going from 155 to 180 is a pretty puny increase, just saiyan'. You should differentiate between Match level Goku and Battle level Goku. Yamcha still weaker than Goku from the Uranai Baba thing? Krillin should be well above that level by now, and Yamcha is only minimally weaker than Krillin at this point. Tien said Goku was a little better, at least give him a lead of like 1-3. When Tien and Roshi fought, neither were at full power, so for the sake of completion, make levels for that too. Tambourine >> Krillin. By a quite a bit. Hungry Goku should be > Krillin, as he did better than Krillin was implied to have done against Tambourine. Yajirobe and Goku fight pretty evenly. Old Piccolo Daimao at less than half his power tanked Goku's Kamehameha. Goku oughta have a slight edge over Young Piccolo Daimao too, he resorted to taking Tien hostage, IIRC. Yamcha and Krillin have both passed up Roshi by a long shot, that should include Buff Roshi as well. I would put Yamcha and Krillin above Tao Pai Pai as well, they'd be weaker than the Super Dodon Pa though. For the sake of completion, include a level for that, along with one for the Super Kamehameha, and Piccolo Jr's Demon Wave or whatever that was called. Chaozu has also passed up Roshi by a lot. Include levels for Kami, Popo, and Kami in Shen's body. Kami complimented Yamcha and thinks Piccolo Daimai is a poop, and Piccolo Jr. complimented Krillin and thinks Kami is poop. At least put them on Young Piccolo's level, Tien being well above that, as Weighted Goku ~ Tien >>> Goku @Piccolo Daimao. Suggestions- Try not to limit yourself to those BoZ levels. Yes, it sounds weird, having 23rd Budokai levels in the 1000s even though Goku at BoZ is like 400. But that's like limiting DBZ powers to like 10,000, can you imagine that? Even though it directly contradicts the Z levels, it's the best route to take if you want to get an understanding of the correlation of the DB powers, and if you want to have an accurate representation of them. It's best to consider DB and Z as having two separate numerical scales or sets or however you might word it IMO. Overall, the list is good and it's just a few issues here and there. Good effort. Edited by Kyouks, Jan 1 2013, 05:47 AM.
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1- Dunno what to say, but Krillin showed better feats than Yamcha. 2- Roshi was showing the advantage, but that's what I think. 3- Oozaru Form restores the power of the Saiyan. 4- These are Scouter levels, not just numbers, and I did it as good as I can. A stomping range is decent enough. 5- Buff Roshi should stronger than him as he's nearly around 22nd BT Goku and Tien with that form. 6- Thanks, I'll correct it. 7- He was having an advantage, and he was beating him when he sucked it as far as I remember. Scans please. 8- Ah, I forgot. Sorry, I'll put him between 21st Base Roshi and Tao. 9- I know, but I'll make a numerical power level list. A guaranteed win gap is decent, right? 10- What's the difference? 11- At least he's able to lay a stomp on 21st BT Goku :P . Krillin should be around that Goku, and I know it. 12- But that what was in the official power level list on Kanzenshuu. 13- Okay. 14- Tambourine only caught him by accident. Prove otherwise. Healthy Goku was able to lay a stomp and kill Tambourine, while he had a time fighting Krillin. 15- No, Goku wasn't at his full power. He was holding back. 16- So? That was on the official power level list, and Goku had only an advantage due to his stamina, and his power pole. 17- Yamcha should be having some difficulty, but guaranteed a win against him. Krillin should be able to stomp. 18- They were scared. Okay. 19- No, he didn't. 20- I already did for Kami, okay, and okay, again? 21- Kami was weaker in Shen's body, and Yamcha only troubled him cause of his Spirit Ball. He thinks Shen is weak. That's too much. Goku > Piccolo Jr. > Young Piccolo Daimao > 12 hands Tien > Weighted Goku > Tien 22- I'll make a new list about numerical DB list. Thanks. |
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He kicked Goku and it was easily blocked, then got owned in a cloud of dust, Goku standing over him, the poor dude defenseless. Yamcha blocked a punch and was in a position to fight back, but freaked over losing his tooth. Yamcha > Krillin. At least make the gap smaller, then. Like Goku being at 135 or something. what. Where's this said? That's the problem though. Using the scouter numbers will lead to inaccuracies. How come? I think you're right, I was going off of bad memory. Never mind. Oh you'll make another one with that? Well, kk. Match level and battle level? Chapter: 129, P6.4, P7.1-4, P8.1 Goku: “You really are strong. I’m flabbergasted.” Tenshinhan: “That’s my line. You’re an amazingly tough bastard…” Goku: “Knowing you, you won’t die even if I put out my full power, so it looks like I can go all out!” Tenshinhan: “Don’t make me laugh. You’ve already been going all out.” Goku: “Yeah, at my match-use power. [ ] But it looks like you’re trying to kill me, so I’ll go at it with my battle-use power too!” Tenshinhan: “Battle-use…? So then, now you’ll start utilizing your true ability? Heh! That’s the first time I’ve heard such a worthless bluff!” Note: “I’ll go at it with my battle-use power too” in the sense that Tenshinhan is also using his battle-use power (not that Tenshinhan thinks in those terms) since he’s trying to kill Goku. It doesn’t mean Goku is going to somehow use both his match and battle-use power simultaneously. It's called "match-use" and "battle-use", my bad. :P yayyyy I know, but those numbers were squeezed in so that they correlated with the BoZ levels. That works, then. You sure? Is it because of how Yajirobe reacted when he fought Tambourine? (just remembered that) Since you're sticking to the scouter ones, sure. But in a different, numerical one, just keep that in mind. Welp, so long as they're ahead I guess it's ok. I was thinking of the quote where Roshi spoke of the Turtle School guys. I thought Chaozu was included for some reason. k. Ohh I overlooked it. Wow, haha. I wasn't referring to his performance, I was referring to this- Chapter: 175, P4.5, 5.1 Yamcha: “What’s happening? I’m being treated just like a baby.” Shen: “No no, you’re strong, already quite so. I can tell by your movements. It’s just unfortunate that I’m much, much stronger still. Train just a little bit more, and you’ll soon catch up to me.” Compare that to this- Chapter: 164, P1.2 Popo: “You’re weak. Your spirit and technique are both no good. You don’t merit being allowed to meet God. Go home.” ^That'd be referring to the Goku who fought Piccolo Daimao. I'd at least have Yamcha closer to Young Piccolo Daimao. Chapter: 177, P1.2-4, P2.1 Tenshinhan: “Son, you are truly incredible. 3 years ago, your strength was all but perfect. I’m amazed that you’ve managed to go so far above even that. However, there’s one thing that you haven’t changed that much from 3 years ago. And that’s something especially important in battle…speed!” Weighted Goku >> Goku @Piccolo Daimao, at least in terms of power.
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Before you make another one , don't listen to Kyoks that Goku>Tien in 22nd budokai. They are equal with Tien the winner and the martial arts champion of the world. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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IDK, I gave proof, you didn't. Tien said Goku's a lil better. You said I'm wrong. :P | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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You accepted that Tien>Goku , you forgot that bro? http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8591475&t=8390287 |
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Nope. Tien's Kikoho >>> Goku's Kame blast > Goku > Tien. Das all. |
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Tien refurred to the blast of Goku when they were standing on air since Tien won with luck when Goku hits to a car. Then Roshi corrects Tien that luck is an overall ability's too. Roshi was also serious when he said that. Tien>Goku. |
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Luck doesn't make Tien's power level higher, haha. That's like saying he should be boosted up a few levels for having a 3rd eye, or for having the Taiyoken technique. You're taking that way outta context. Never mind the fact that Roshi was laughing as he said that, and never mind the fact that he never even brings up Goku when saying it. Chapter: 134, P11.1-2 Tenshinhan: “By actual ability, unfortunately I lost…” Kame-sennin: “Hahhahhah, luck is a part of one’s overall ability too.” Which line are you going to take more seriously when trying to decide the strength of one person? If you think luck increases your power, then I really don't know what to say. It boggles me that that line suddenly switches the power chain in your eyes. Edited by Kyouks, Jan 2 2013, 02:55 AM.
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