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Freeza never got to 100%
Topic Started: Dec 31 2012, 04:56 AM (2,720 Views)
EMIYA
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"I am the bone of my sword."

What? 100% is just 100%, it's Freeza's full power that his body can naturally produce without outside means interfering in some way. just like Full Powered Perfect Cell is Perfect Cell at 100%, it's the maximum his ki can reach naturally. So of course its going to be a percentage of his power, in this all 100% of it.

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It's exactly what it sounds like, "100%." He even counts up as he powers up, it's a clear indication of him tapping into more and more of his power. It's even directly referred to as his full power...

Chapter: 320 (DBZ 126), P11.1-3
Context: with 5 minutes (ha!) before Namek explodes
Freeza: “In that case, I’ll show you my 100% power! There’s no way you can defeat me! Prepare yourself!”
Goku: “Why are you using your full power now?...I know: it’s because when you use all of your power, your body itself can’t handle it.”

Chapter: 321 (DBZ 127), P1.3
Freeza: “I’ll settle this at full power. It’ll take 1 minute…No, 30 seconds…”

Chapter: 321 (DBZ 127), P2.4
Context: as Freeza powers up
Goku: “His ki is swelling up and becoming full…So he’s finally bringing out this ‘100% power’ thing of his, huh?...”

Chapter: 321 (DBZ 127), P3.5
Context: as he lets Freeza power all the way up
Goku: “I really might not get this chance again…The chance to see the strongest bastard in the universe at full power…”

Chapter: 321 (DBZ 127), P5.2
Context: Freeza’s still powering up
Freeza: “85%...90…
Goku: “Freeza…The reason I’m waiting for you to reach full power…is because I want to beat you down when you’re at your best…That way, you’ll have no regrets as a warrior…You want to try testing out your full power too, right? If you didn’t, you would have just fired at the planet again and ended it…”
Note: Goku might be talking about himself, or both he and Freeza, not having any regrets as warriors.

(Thanks Clearin, I didn't hafta go find 'em myself)
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I can tell you Brofist that it is NOT just a percentage of his power. It IS a transformation. How can you build muscles if you at 100 % of your power??? In the world of DB, power can magically go further up than 100%, like Kaioken. Meaning 100% Frieza does not mean he will use 100% of his power, he will TRANSFORM!!! and go further up than 100%. That's why he gets muscles. You can't get muscles just by making a 100% of power output of chi. It's just logic.
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He gets the muscles because he can't handle his own full power, lol. He's only got two transformations after the 2nd, that's a fact.

Apparently you missed the wall of text with multiple phrases of "full power."
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Chapter: 301 (DBZ 107), P12.5
Freeza: “I, Freeza, vastly increase my power each time I transform…And I still have 2 of those transformations remaining…Do you know what that means?”

What's the problem here?
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Andro38Z
Dec 31 2012, 07:35 PM
I can tell you Brofist that it is NOT just a percentage of his power. It IS a transformation. How can you build muscles if you at 100 % of your power??? In the world of DB, power can magically go further up than 100%, like Kaioken. Meaning 100% Frieza does not mean he will use 100% of his power, he will TRANSFORM!!! and go further up than 100%. That's why he gets muscles. You can't get muscles just by making a 100% of power output of chi. It's just logic.
Kaioken is an outside source of excessive power that isn't part of the person's natural ki. Hence how I used the term "All the ki that a person can naturally produce"

100% is 100% I mean he counts up, there's no other way to interpret it. When Freeza is using his 100% he's literally at the top of his ki and the only way he can gain more is by some outside source effecting him. There's nothing to really debate on this, it's outright stated, multiplie times that Freeza is using his full power at 100%.

He gets muscles because his body is being overloaded with ki and straining him along with the added points of engorging his own muscles for maximum physical force.
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As you said ''His body is overloaded with ki'', meaning it is not his source of power, though through the help of a transformation. JUST like USSj. But it is NOT a transformation as the PREVIOUS ones. I said that before too!
Look as I said before, a possibility could be like what you say:
Frieza's 100% is like the way FPssj is for Super Saiyan
Frieza - 4th transformation - - Full Power.
It isn't exactly 100% of his innitial power, he is just loaded with chi and his 4th form creates a new version of it.
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The one thing you keep forgetting is that it's been stated that Freeza's body cannot handle his own full power. The muscles are merely a way to illustrate that.

When there are multiple quotes stating that 100% = full power, along with one stating that there are only 2 forms above second, I'll take that over the fact that Freeza at full power just so happens to resemble a transformation that doesn't even exist at this point in the series. Oh, and never mind the fact that the word "transformation" isn't even used once, despite the fact that it's been used numerous times in reference to Freeza's other transformations...had Toriyama wanted to contradict any of his statements, he'd have done so in some way. But he didn't....
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I think he was truly at 100%. it wouldn't be as dramatic story-wise if Goku didn't beat him at his absolute best. The spirit bomb just pissed him off I think.
"The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!"
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Jan 1 2013, 11:51 AM
The one thing you keep forgetting is that it's been stated that Freeza's body cannot handle his own full power. The muscles are merely a way to illustrate that.

When there are multiple quotes stating that 100% = full power, along with one stating that there are only 2 forms above second, I'll take that over the fact that Freeza at full power just so happens to resemble a transformation that doesn't even exist at this point in the series. Oh, and never mind the fact that the word "transformation" isn't even used once, despite the fact that it's been used numerous times in reference to Freeza's other transformations...had Toriyama wanted to contradict any of his statements, he'd have done so in some way. But he didn't....
I don't think we are talking about the same arguement here xD.
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Dec 31 2012, 05:17 AM
I know he reached 100%. But shouldn't getting hit by a ki attack like that drop your energy. For example, Gokus KHH vs Cell dropped his energy.
Yup, it should, but he was hit by a genki attack.
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Uh, lol? You're saying 100% is a transformation, I'm saying its not.

I'll just take that you not having anything left to say. ulose.
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Why so rude?
We are obviously talking about different arguements and you don't really seem to understand what I am trying to say exactly xD. I believe it IS a transformation. And I tell you, Frieza's 100% is a transformation through his 4th form. You believe differently? I really don't care and won't change my mind on my belief ;) And I won't stand here being told that I am wrong constantly when I know through my logic and inteligence that I am right. Besides, you started talking about what I HAD ALREADY SAID!!!! And I cannot find a way of getting it through your head(s). That is why I end my participation in the subject here.
It isn't a competition, dude. We are trying to find a straight road that leads to the right answer. You think the answer is what you believe, and I know it is what I believe.
No one loses, no one wins. If you think ''defeat'' has anything to do with what I previewed then grow up, really. lol
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K, den, ilose. Bai bai haf a nise day.
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''I'll just take that you not having anything left to say.''
Edited by Andro, Jan 1 2013, 08:10 PM.
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