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Majin Vegeta Gauntlet
Topic Started: Dec 29 2012, 11:03 PM (974 Views)
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My first thread on this forum... This'll go down in History!
Btw Vegeta gets a Senzu bean after each fight.

Majin Vegeta Vs
LSSJ M10 Broly
Kid Gohan SSJ2
Base Gotenks Pre
KibitoShin
Uub EOZ
Good Buu (after releasing Grey Buu)
Post Z sword SSJ2 Gohan
20 Cell jrs
SSJ2 Future trunks (hypothetical)
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Loses to Broly.

Takes down Kid Gohan (just so you know, this one's literally stated, unless you included it just because).

Loses to Base Gotenks unless Gotenks fools around.

Beats Kibitoshin to a pulp.

Beats Oob to a pulp, the kid can't control his power. If he gets mad for long enough then Vegeta'd lose.

Loses to Good Boo.

Gets *****ed up by Post Z Sword Gohan.

One shots every Cell Jr.

Beats Future Trunks.
Edited by Kyouks, Dec 29 2012, 11:08 PM.
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Agree with most of that, but I think Vegeta beats Broly, and don't see why KibitoShin gets stomped so hard.
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Lose - I haven't seen that movie, but I know he would have a hard time with M8 Broly and this one is stronger
Win - Stated
Win - Base Gotenks lost badly to Fat Buu (offscreen), so did Vegeta, but I like Vegeta more and Gotenks is a fool.
Lose - Kibitoshin is most likely stronger than Good Buu at leas
Win - Uub doesn't have too many feats, plus he can't control his power
Lose - Can't beat any form of Buu
Lose - Gohan is very strong after that training
Win - Cell Jrs can't touch him
Win - Below SSJ2 Gohan
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I don't know, two SSJ2s and an SSJ team up against one Broly and Majin Vegeta's supposed to be stronger than Broly? Yes, Goku was an SSJ2 imo, I don't have the pics on me at the moment, although KP probably does (hopefully he sees this).

Old Kai doesn't include Kibitoshin when talking about the greatest masters in the universe, not to mention that Kibitoshin doesn't fight Kid Boo. His weak power is even elaborated on by Old Kai. Yet he's relevant to an SSJ2? I think not.
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In order of strongest to weakest IMO:

Oob EOZ*
SSj2 Gohan (post-Z Sword)
Good Boo
LSSj Broly (M10)
Base Gotenks (pre)
Majin Vegeta
SSj2 Kid Gohan
Kibitoshin
SSj2 Future Trunks
20 Cell Juniors

So he'd have a tough fight with Kid Gohan, but he'd wreck everybody below that. He might score a victory over Base Gotenks, but that's if he can overcome the rather large power gap with skill which, being the biased fan I am, I don't doubt. Everybody above Gotenks would snap Vegeta's neck, though.

*Assuming Enraged Oob = Kid Boo.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Dec 29 2012, 11:33 PM
I don't know, two SSJ2s and an SSJ team up against one Broly and Majin Vegeta's supposed to be stronger than Broly? Yes, Goku was an SSJ2 imo, I don't have the pics on me at the moment, although KP probably does (hopefully he sees this).

Old Kai doesn't include Kibitoshin when talking about the greatest masters in the universe, not to mention that Kibitoshin doesn't fight Kid Boo. His weak power is even elaborated on by Old Kai. Yet he's relevant to an SSJ2? I think not.
The 2 ssj2's (if Goku and Gohan were ssj2s, that is) and the ssj won after teaming up on Broly though.
Majin Vegeta survived against Fat Buu for quite some time too.
And KibitoShin has to be pretty strong to think he could help against Buu.
Edited by Kienzan, Dec 29 2012, 11:52 PM.
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That's my point, they all teamed up and won. If TOEI wanted Broly to be weaker than SSJ2 Goku, he'd have lost to SSJ2 Goku. The fact that they all did it implies that they were all necessary in taking out Broly (with Goten you could argue otherwise as he was only an SSJ, although having him there definitely contributed to the ease in which they got the job done).

While I won't discredit Kibitoshin's power and say he's like Imperfect Cell tier or something, Old Kai immediately follows up by saying "you were never anything special", implying that even now he's not much to look at. I could consider putting him above Perfect Cell prior to his zenkai maybe? That's really it though.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Dec 29 2012, 11:48 PM
That's my point, they all teamed up and won. If TOEI wanted Broly to be weaker than SSJ2 Goku, he'd have lost to SSJ2 Goku. The fact that they all did it implies that they were all necessary in taking out Broly (with Goten you could argue otherwise as he was only an SSJ, although having him there definitely contributed to the ease in which they got the job done).
How does Goku being there aswell mean that SSJ2 Goku>LSSJ Broly?
Think Of it this way:
Im fighting someone and i'm losing. Then Bruce Lee comes, and then we end up winning.
Does this mean the guy I'm fighting is superior to Bruce Lee? Its possible that Bruce Lee alone would've been enough to beat this guy.
Its the same here with Goku. Its not definite that Goku wouldn't have been enough. He just didn't get the chance to fight alone.
Goten wishes his dad was there, meaning he was confident that his presence would win them the fight.
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Kienzan
Dec 30 2012, 12:02 AM
How does Goku being there aswell mean that SSJ2 Goku>LSSJ Broly?
It doesn't.
Kienzan
Dec 30 2012, 12:02 AM
Think Of it this way:
Im fighting someone and i'm losing. Then Bruce Lee comes, and then we end up winning.
Does this mean the guy I'm fighting is superior to Bruce Lee? Its possible that Bruce Lee alone would've been enough to beat this guy.
Its the same here with Goku. Its not definite that Goku wouldn't have been enough. He just didn't get the chance to fight alone.
Goten wishes his dad was there, meaning he was confident that his presence would win them the fight.
This is fiction, not real life. Your real life isn't written by someone who wants to portray someone else's strength. Goten knows nothin' of his dad's power.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Dec 30 2012, 12:05 AM
Kienzan
Dec 30 2012, 12:02 AM
How does Goku being there aswell mean that SSJ2 Goku>LSSJ Broly?
It doesn't.
Kienzan
Dec 30 2012, 12:02 AM
Think Of it this way:
Im fighting someone and i'm losing. Then Bruce Lee comes, and then we end up winning.
Does this mean the guy I'm fighting is superior to Bruce Lee? Its possible that Bruce Lee alone would've been enough to beat this guy.
Its the same here with Goku. Its not definite that Goku wouldn't have been enough. He just didn't get the chance to fight alone.
Goten wishes his dad was there, meaning he was confident that his presence would win them the fight.
This is fiction, not real life. Your real life isn't written by someone who wants to portray someone else's strength. Goten knows nothin' of his dad's power.
Whether it was real life or fiction, it still portrays the same thing.
Gohan and Goten Struggling
Goku comes
Gohan, Goten and Goku win
This does not mean that LSSJ Broly is > Goku.

broly in movie 8 got killed by 4 half dead saiyans and a namek. I'm sure 1 zenkai wouldn't give Broly enough power to go from getting killed by that to getting just about beat by 2 ssj2's and an ssj.
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Problem with that is you've no idea what a zenkai might do. Goku and Vegeta both received zenkais on Namek that gave them boosts well over 10 times. The zenkai made Broly as strong as he needed to be, done deal.

C'mon, I'm sure you know that half dead people argument isn't the way to gauge Broly's strength. "Logically", that's not enough to kill someone who Goku rivals, much less someone who wrecks Goku.

There's no reason to assume that Goku could've done it alone when all 3 team up to do it. It doesn't portray the same thing, in real life, whatever happens, happens. No interpretation needed, it just happened that way. You live with it.

If Broly is meant to be under SSJ2 Goku, it would've been implied in some way. It isn't. You can say SSJ2 Goku > Broly, but there'd be nothing to back it up. Is it a possibility, yes, I'm not saying it isn't. There's never a direct comparison after all. But can you argue for it? I'm doubtful. I, however, can easily counter with "2 SSJ2s took him down, one being Goku." That's not a direct comparison either, but what little we have going for Broly > SSJ2 Goku is more than the null void we have for SSJ2 Goku > Broly.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Dec 30 2012, 12:27 AM
Problem with that is you've no idea what a zenkai might do. Goku and Vegeta both received zenkais on Namek that gave them boosts well over 10 times. The zenkai made Broly as strong as he needed to be, done deal.

C'mon, I'm sure you know that half dead people argument isn't the way to gauge Broly's strength. "Logically", that's not enough to kill someone who Goku rivals, much less someone who wrecks Goku.

There's no reason to assume that Goku could've done it alone when all 3 team up to do it. It doesn't portray the same thing, in real life, whatever happens, happens. No interpretation needed, it just happened that way. You live with it.

If Broly is meant to be under SSJ2 Goku, it would've been implied in some way. It isn't. You can say SSJ2 Goku > Broly, but there'd be nothing to back it up. Is it a possibility, yes, I'm not saying it isn't. There's never a direct comparison after all. But can you argue for it? I'm doubtful. I, however, can easily counter with "2 SSJ2s took him down, one being Goku." That's not a direct comparison either, but what little we have going for Broly > SSJ2 Goku is more than the null void we have for SSJ2 Goku > Broly.
Don't zenkais get weaker the stronger you get? Someone as strong as Broly wouldn't get an amazing Zenkai IMO. Gohan (about the same power as M10 Gohan) got beaten the crap out of by Buu, and he got a very low zenkai (it was stated, iirc).
It'd be the same with Broly.
Also, I reckon Vegeta wasn't put in this movie because, he was already an ssj2 and would've been too much for Broly. Its just a guess, but why would he be in every single other movie apart from this one? He was alive and could sense ki, surely he'd go over and help Trunks.
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He shouldn't have gotten a zenkai at all because he's a Super Saiyan, but he did. Story required Broly to get a massive power-up, he got just that. For what it's worth, the zenkai prolly isn't nearly as large as 10x, but it's there.

Also, I'm not gonna crucify you for having SSJ2 Goku > Broly. I couldn't care less, so long as it isn't by a huge amount because then his fight with Gohan wouldn't make much sense. I feel as though the opposite is the more likely case though.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Dec 30 2012, 12:40 AM
Also, I'm not gonna crucify you for having SSJ2 Goku > Broly.
Thank God for that! *Changes Underwear*
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