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Question About Zenkai
Topic Started: Dec 26 2012, 07:25 PM (707 Views)
Silvia
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Okay so, sorry if this is a dumb question. And yes it's for a fanfic. *nerd*

So Mirai Trunks, after he goes home and beats the android and Cell, blahblahblah. Since he is a SSJ, does he no longer 'get' zenkai? And if he does (well this applies to any Saiyan I guess), does this only apply to battle injuries? Could someone get a zenkai from an illness, for example, that nearly kills them?

I've read too much stuff. I don't know what to think.
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Izanagi!

Well, its been theorised that Saiyans are still able to receive zenkais when they've transformed, but they're minute.

When Goku got banged up on Namek, he got an unbelievable zenkai. If he received the same injuries as a Super Saiyan, its suggested that the gains wouldn't compare to the previous one.

Regarding illness, its the same thing. The only time we're ever given a situation like that is when Goku recovers from the Heart Virus. If he got a zenkai there, which is possible, it wouldn't have really been noticeable.


So, in conclusion;

It is suggested, but the zenkais would be very small.
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Thanks Naked Snake! That is a reasonable enough explanation for me to live with.

Basically, the zenkai a Saiyan receives are more important/bigger gains before they are powerful enough to become a SSJ, right? Just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly.
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Silvia
Dec 27 2012, 02:27 AM
Thanks Naked Snake! That is a reasonable enough explanation for me to live with.

Basically, the zenkai a Saiyan receives are more important/bigger gains before they are powerful enough to become a SSJ, right? Just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly.
Yup, you've got it

I suppose you could say that Zenkais are efficient ways of bringing a regular saiyan's power to the surface and because the Super Saiyan transformation does that, it eliminates the need for massive zenkais.

But this is all just hypothetical
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Silvia
Dec 27 2012, 02:27 AM
Thanks Naked Snake! That is a reasonable enough explanation for me to live with.

Basically, the zenkai a Saiyan receives are more important/bigger gains before they are powerful enough to become a SSJ, right? Just want to make sure I'm understanding correctly.
Yep that's right :lol:

Edit: Naked Snake, you ninja!
Edited by Crashbreaka, Dec 27 2012, 02:31 AM.
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Awww, thanks crashbreaka. :>

Man you guys are so nice on this forum. I thought I was gonna be laughed out for this question. <3
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Izanagi!

Nah, don't be afraid to ask questions. Although they may seem 'simple', topics like zenkais are actually quite complex. I mean, it took me ages to come to the conclusion that I came to.

If there's anything else that you're unclear on, just make a topic. We'll be sure to help you.
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Silvia
Dec 27 2012, 02:53 AM
Awww, thanks crashbreaka. :>

Man you guys are so nice on this forum. I thought I was gonna be laughed out for this question. <3
I've also noticed that people on this forum are less rude than on other ones.But,that's probably because of the stricter rules here.I mean,i've received
warnings that surprised me,since they were for things that,on other forums,wouldn't draw any attention.
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actually, nothing in the manga suggests that zenkais got smaller. however, the gaps needed to catch up to the enemies were so great that a zenkai just wouldn't do the trick. look at cell. he's definitely more than powerful enough to become an ssj, and he got a sizable zenkai.

@super zenkais. there are 2 main theories for why super zenkais happen. 1 is that the saiyan is nearly powerful enough to transform into an ssj, and the zenkai process goes all out for one last, huge boost before shutting down. problem: vegeta got 2 super zenkais, and the second one was when he was far above the minimum power for ssj (which is somewhere between 30,000 and 90,000, so we'll just say 60,000). goku's also happened when he was above the minimum required ssj power.

the other theory is that super zenkais happen when a fresh injury is healed rapidly. vegeta had just been beaten by recoome when goku gave him the sensu bean. goku had just got his badly beaten body back when he was put into the healing tank. vegeta had just been blasted by krillin when dende healed him.

another factor of the super zenkai is that hybrids don't get them. gohan had just had his neck snapped by recoome when he was given a sensu bean. gohan had just been beaten by frieza when dende healed him. he only got normal zenkais both times. cell had just exploded and regenerated, but that was barely enough to catch up to gohan.
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the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

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Broly and Super Perfect Cell are the only two examples of zenkai's in the post-Super Saiyan era. After the whole Super Saiyan transformations came along, the whole idea of the zenkai went away. Canonically, the only example of it occurring afterwards was Cell.
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we don't need examples. they still exist whether they are mentioned or not. the rules for zenkais are stated in the manga, and every time those requirements are met, a zenkai happens, whether or not it is mentioned. so, canonically, gohan got a zenkai after fat buu beat him, since he was stated to be barely alive, and then he was healed. the only way zenkais would stop after ssj was introduced would be if they were stated to have stopped.

short version: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
list of canon sources:

the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga.

list of non canon sources:

everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality.

for those that blindly follow word of god
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