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Kaioshin vs Initial 20
Topic Started: Dec 22 2012, 05:30 AM (1,764 Views)
Animelover5487
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I know I said in my previous posts that Kaioshin was above Piccolo and Base Saiyans > Piccolo but after looking though the manga I've come to the conclusion that Piccolo was only scared to fight Kaioshin because he thought he was the Grand Kai and that the Grand Kai would be dimensions above him and the fact that if Base Saiyans > Piccolo it would make the SSJ multiplyers super low when it's heavily implied that SSJ is leagues above the base form.

So yeah all he can do is one shot Freeza. So anyone who do you think wins? i have my money on the Kai.
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I have Gero slightly above SSjin Goku (Freeza). I think Shin could stomp him. But if you go by his Anime line saying he was 1,000 times stronger than Freeza, he would one-shot Gero.
Edited by GrooseStrikesBack, Dec 22 2012, 06:12 AM.
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I'd probably give to Kai, until proven otherwise by people much smarter than I.
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Kaioshin takes this IMO. Someone who one shots Frieza , could take someone who was slightly stronger than someone who would get one shotted by a one shotter.
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Kaioshin stomps.
Even 20 Post absortions will lose , maybe badly.
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If by your japanese mumbo jumbo, you mean Supreme Kai, then I have him beating 20 with ease.
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I'm unsure if this was clarified in another thread but Piccolo's statement that who he thought Supreme Kai was was dimensions above him, was he referring to in terms of universal hierarchy or power level? Grand Kai is without a doubt way above Kami/Dende in the universal hierarchy.
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What? You wannah peace of me?

20 gets the one bang...

And he loses..

I think kioshin is around cell or lower...
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Kaioshin can handle Perfect Cell with mild difficulty, but loses to SPC after a hard fight.

Needless to say Gero is vaporized by a Kiai.
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Dec 22 2012, 07:00 PM
I'm unsure if this was clarified in another thread but Piccolo's statement that who he thought Supreme Kai was was dimensions above him, was he referring to in terms of universal hierarchy or power level? Grand Kai is without a doubt way above Kami/Dende in the universal hierarchy.



He thought the Grand Kai would be dimensions above him that's why he forfeited.

StormOverlord156
Dec 22 2012, 07:16 PM
20 gets the one bang...

And he loses..

I think kioshin is around cell or lower...



Kaioshin isn't anywhere near Cell's level.

IllogicalGlory
Dec 22 2012, 08:01 PM
Kaioshin can handle Perfect Cell with mild difficulty, but loses to SPC after a hard fight.

Needless to say Gero is vaporized by a Kiai.



Kaioshin above Perfect Cell? Damn where do you have the Base Saiyans at? Not even the SSJ Saiyans are on Perfect Cell's level.
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Animelover5487
Dec 22 2012, 08:13 PM
Kaioshin above Perfect Cell? Damn where do you have the Base Saiyans at? Not even the SSJ Saiyans are on Perfect Cell's level.
I'm kind of a fan of his, which makes me biased, but I think he's stronger than MSSJ Goku, but gets thrashed by any SSJ2s (obviously).

My reasoning is that Piccolo was not too far behind Cell Games Saiyans and if Kaioshin's power is at a whole different level, that to me says above MSSJ Goku and above Perfect Cell.
Also Kaioshin (correct me if I'm wrong, this was from a fanslation) only said that he'd been surpassed after witnessing Goku use SSJ2 against Yakon. That to me says that he's above MSSJ Goku.

I just don't believe that the God of the Universe is a total wimp, that doesn't work for me.
Edited by IllogicalGlory, Dec 22 2012, 08:22 PM.
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IllogicalGlory
Dec 22 2012, 08:20 PM
Animelover5487
Dec 22 2012, 08:13 PM
Kaioshin above Perfect Cell? Damn where do you have the Base Saiyans at? Not even the SSJ Saiyans are on Perfect Cell's level.
I'm kind of a fan of his, which makes me biased, but I think he's stronger than MSSJ Goku, but gets thrashed by any SSJ2s (obviously).

My reasoning is that Piccolo was not too far behind Cell Games Saiyans and if Kaioshin's power is at a whole different level, that to me says above MSSJ Goku and above Perfect Cell.
Also Kaioshin (correct me if I'm wrong, this was from a fanslation) only said that he'd been surpassed after witnessing Goku use SSJ2 against Yakon. That to me says that he's above MSSJ Goku.

I just don't believe that the God of the Universe is a total wimp, that doesn't work for me.


He thought that defeating Pui Pui was such a big deal and was stunned by how easily Vegeta defeated him implying that he cant do the same. Piccolo > Kaioshin makes the most sense power gap wise since Dabura is implied to be above Base Saiyans and was only slightly better than a SSJ Gohan who slacked off for 7 years. Also not to mention that SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta were implied to be rivals with Kid SSJ2 Gohan.


Piccolo was probadly only scared because he thought Kaioshin was the Grand Kai and that the Grand Kai would be dimensions above him.


He isn't a wimp. He can one shot the most powerful being in the universe Freeza atleast he use to be that is. The Saiyans are just so overwhelmingly strong that's all.


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How does this look?

Kamiccolo(post RoSaT)>Kamiccolo~A17>>Supreme Kai~Piccolo(Android Saga)>>Doc 20(post absorption)>Doc 20(pre)>Freeza

edit- I kinda want to throw Buu Saga base Saiyans somewhere more or less in the area of Kamiccolo and A17, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea.
Edited by Professor Gohan, Dec 22 2012, 09:27 PM.
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Descent. Some minor disagreements such as I have Android arc Piccolo and Post energy 20 above the Kai. And I would put Buu arc Base Gohan and Base Vegeta not far from Semi Cell's level.
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How come you have Kai below Piccolo(Android) and Doc 20(post)?
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