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Roshi vs. Yamu and/or Spopovich
Topic Started: Nov 20 2012, 08:13 PM (2,450 Views)
Animelover5487 Nov 20 2012, 10:49 PM Post #16
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Brofist
Nov 20 2012, 10:27 PM
Videl still drew blood, she still caused Spopovich a moment of pain (Spopovich wasn't smiling when his neck got snapped, he had a grimace on his face and it wasn't until he twisted it back around. Plus Roshi's already got a PL of 139 and I believe that's not even with his Full Power either, and could move faster than the normal human eye could see. He's can control Ki much better than Videl, has had near centuries perhaps of training and is a master martial artists to boot.

Take also for example that before the Majin Charm, Spopovich couldn't even beat Mr. Satan.

Mr. Satan would be lucky to have a PL of 7 really and to get to Roshi's 139 alone, he would need to increase his level by over 19x. The difference between SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Pre-Majin Vegeta certainly couldn't have been anywhere near that much and I think its safe to say that Vegeta had far more potential in him that could be pulled than Spopovich did.


Yamcha caused Tien pain at the 22nd tournament. Goku caused King Piccolo pain. Gohan,Krillin and Piccolo caused Nappa pain. It still dosen't mean that they was using there full power aganist them. As you can see here her kick did nothing to Spopovich.

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It was already flat out stated several times that he was holding back to deny it is going aganist what the manga says.

What makes you think Babidi's majin boost has a multiplyer? It was never stated to bring out the potiental in someone or have a multiplyer. Why cant it just be a random power boost?
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Sam Nov 20 2012, 10:55 PM Post #17
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It takes a mere second for treasure to turn to trash.

 I think Roshi would win as well, but, Spopovich's powers, even though he sustained damage from Videl, could prove very useful. Keep in mind, Videl was stronger than Mr. Satan. Even if she is just a human, she did train with Gohan. I'm sure she got stronger from that, in addition to flight.
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EMIYA Nov 20 2012, 11:01 PM Post #18
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Doesn't matter if he's holding back or not. The Majin charm boosts the power of the user by drawing out their potential and even if it didn't, its not like its going to be a random number for each person. It's not like Vegeta gets a 4x boost and Spopvich gets a 50x boost, that wouldn't make sense at all.

It would take a 15-20x increase from the Majin Charm for Spopovhich to even get to Roshi's relaxed state, a range that was hardly suggested between Goku and Pre-Majin Vegeta.

Also, if were sending out pages of the online manga then:

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Babidi point blanks says he's bringing out Vegeta's hidden powers right there. Unfortunately I couldn't find the direct quote from Hermes, so I'm hoping someone else can spread some light on it. Regardless, Spopovhich isn't getting any higher a power up than Vegeta and unless you believe there was a a 15-20x difference between Goku and Pre-Majin Vegeta, Spopovich isn't coming anywhere near Roshi.
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+ Kyouks Nov 20 2012, 11:20 PM Post #19
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 I'd say take Roshi takes it out, but I think durability's gonna be somewhat of a b**ch.

But yeah, Videl even after training with Gohan is prolly still below people from the DB Budokais who were below Roshi, and even if Roshi by some weird reason can't pull it off with hand-to-hand, a Kame blast seals the deal.
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Animelover5487 Nov 20 2012, 11:31 PM Post #20
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Nov 20 2012, 11:01 PM
Doesn't matter if he's holding back or not. The Majin charm boosts the power of the user by drawing out their potential and even if it didn't, its not like its going to be a random number for each person. It's not like Vegeta gets a 4x boost and Spopvich gets a 50x boost, that wouldn't make sense at all.

It would take a 15-20x increase from the Majin Charm for Spopovhich to even get to Roshi's relaxed state, a range that was hardly suggested between Goku and Pre-Majin Vegeta.

Also, if were sending out pages of the online manga then:

Babidi point blanks says he's bringing out Vegeta's hidden powers right there. Unfortunately I couldn't find the direct quote from Hermes, so I'm hoping someone else can spread some light on it. Regardless, Spopovhich isn't getting any higher a power up than Vegeta and unless you believe there was a a 15-20x difference between Goku and Pre-Majin Vegeta, Spopovich isn't coming anywhere near Roshi.


Like I said power boosts dont have multiplyers there all random. Since when does DBZ make any sense?

Gohan went from a power level of 1 to a power level way over 1000 after only a year of normal trainning in the woods, Vegeta went from 24k to 30k after being crippled and nearly dead on Earth. But after not even getting injured as much as he did on Earth goes from 30k to 500k from his zenkai, Goku who was weaker than Vegeta and Piccolo gets way stronger than both of them after only his first trip but Vegeta after two whole trips didn't get that strong.
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EMIYA Nov 20 2012, 11:39 PM Post #21
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Gohan trained for two years I believe, and trained directly with Piccolo which along with his already higher potential could easily have been brought out faster and stronger than someone like Kid Goku training in the same timeline.

The Majin Charm has to get a specific power boost, whether its the same for all people, or whether it's based on how much potential it can unlock for people, doesn't really matter. Babidi embraces the wickedness in a person's heart and then pulls out more of their power, unless you can explain as mentioned before:

A.) There actually being that 15-20x difference between Pre-Majin Vegeta and Goku

and.)

B.) Spopovich getting that same if not stronger increasing from the Majin Charm...

Then I still don't see how Roshi can have any trouble besides maybe Spopovich's endurance.
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Animelover5487 Nov 20 2012, 11:53 PM Post #22
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 "The Majin Charm has to get a specific power boost, whether its the same for all people, or whether it's based on how much potential it can unlock for people, doesn't really matter. Babidi embraces the wickedness in a person's heart and then pulls out more of their power, unless you can explain as mentioned before:

A.) There actually being that 15-20x difference between Pre-Majin Vegeta and Goku

and.)

B.) Spopovich getting that same if not stronger increasing from the Majin Charm...

Then I still don't see how Roshi can have any trouble besides maybe Spopovich's endurance."

Maybe it's like you said where Babidi pulls out the evilness in a person's heart that makes sense too since Vegeta already had evil intensions before Babidi put him under his magic. Spopovich however might have been a nice man before Babidi turned him into a majin so there was more to bring out in him.

But anyway your thinking about it too hard AT probadly dosen't even think about all of this stuff that's why I think after the Cell Games the SSJ multiplyer stopped and it all became random.
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+ Kyouks Nov 20 2012, 11:56 PM Post #23
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 Chapter: 456 (DBZ 262), P4.3
Context: as Babidi takes control of Vegeta
Babidi: “While I’m at it, I’ll draw out his hidden power to beyond [his? its?] limits!”
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+ Pyrus Nov 20 2012, 11:58 PM Post #24
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 Majin brings the user past their limits.
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EMIYA Nov 21 2012, 12:03 AM Post #25
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"I am the bone of my sword."
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Nov 20 2012, 11:56 PM
Chapter: 456 (DBZ 262), P4.3
Context: as Babidi takes control of Vegeta
Babidi: “While I’m at it, I’ll draw out his hidden power to beyond [his? its?] limits!”
So it was a potential unlocker, I thought so but I couldn't find the direct quote.

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Alex D. Boss Nov 21 2012, 12:39 AM Post #26
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 I go with Roshi with this one. Spopovich and Yamu does not have some techniques , while Roshi is a genius how to defeat his opponent.
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+ Pyrus Nov 21 2012, 03:14 AM Post #27
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Nov 20 2012, 09:12 PM
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Nov 20 2012, 08:53 PM
Animelover5487
Nov 20 2012, 08:51 PM
I remember reading a theory on another forum about them being above BoDBZ Goku because he didn't have a flight aura then and Spopovich and Yamu have flight auras it makes alot of sense considering flight auras represent speed so yeah they one shot Roshi.

Brofist
Nov 20 2012, 08:19 PM
Roshi teaches these whippersnappers a lesson, if Videl can snap Spopovich's neck with a single kick, then I dare not think what the Turtle Hermit would do to these people much less him at full power.


Spopovich let Videl break his neck he was playing with her Vegeta even said he weakened his ki blast so he wouldn't kill her.
Though the Führer seems to remember Old Piccolo Daimao having an aura.


Old King Piccolo never flew. He always traveled in Emperor Pilaf's ship.
Then the Führer was mistaken. Good parry.
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+ Kyouks Nov 21 2012, 03:20 AM Post #28
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 Young Piccolo had an aura though (but I only remember it from his fight, not from flying or anything).
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+ Kyouks Nov 21 2012, 03:34 AM Post #29
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 I wouldn't consider Goku's thingy a flight aura.

Yah KP flies, but no flight aura.
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+ Pyrus Nov 21 2012, 03:36 AM Post #30
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Nov 21 2012, 03:25 AM
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/dragon_ball/v14/c004/8.html

Isn't KP flying here? Or is that just jumping really high and then swooping back down?

Also, no sure if you'd count it as flying aura but...

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/dragon_ball/v14/c005/2.html

Goku's got an aura there, or at least the power surrounding him while his body is flying up due to the pressure of the kamehameha wave.
That's the energy from his punch enveloping him when he puts his fist in front of him.
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