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Dabura vs Super Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Nov 20 2012, 07:20 PM (2,576 Views)
Pylons Nov 21 2012, 03:16 PM Post #16
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 The only thing that Cell would have to watch out for is stone spit, even than, SPC should have a speed advantage that's considerable enough to dodge it the same way Majin Buu did unless he's taken off guard and just lets himself get spit on like Krillin and Piccolo did.
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EMIYA Nov 21 2012, 03:18 PM Post #17
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 There is no way I can ever see Gohan being an SSj2 against Dabura, the anime might not be consistent but the manga is and Gohan lacks too many necessary points (And not just lightning either) for him to ever be one. With the statement of Gohan's drastically decrease power in the seven year time lapse, I honestly wouldn't put Dabura any higher than SSJ Kid Gohan and honestly, that's being pretty nice to Dabura I think.
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Animelover5487 Nov 21 2012, 07:25 PM Post #18
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Brofist
Nov 21 2012, 03:18 PM
There is no way I can ever see Gohan being an SSj2 against Dabura, the anime might not be consistent but the manga is and Gohan lacks too many necessary points (And not just lightning either) for him to ever be one. With the statement of Gohan's drastically decrease power in the seven year time lapse, I honestly wouldn't put Dabura any higher than SSJ Kid Gohan and honestly, that's being pretty nice to Dabura I think.


Goku said he doubts Dabura after seeing him is any stronger than Cell and since the last Cell he seen was Perfect Cell then it only makes sense that he was talking about him he than goes on to say his even stronger than he thought meaning Dabura >>>> Perfect Cell.

If Gohan was a SSJ1 than he most have gotten alot stronger since the Cell Games since he was weaker than Full Power Perfect Cell but that's not the case since Gohan was already stated to have gotten weaker so in order for it to work you need to put Gohan as a SSJ2 which makes since because in the anime he had lighting aura around him the manga probadly forgot all about that.
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EMIYA Nov 21 2012, 08:05 PM Post #19
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Several problems with that.

1.) We've seen Gohan transform into SSJ2 at the Budokai and had every single attribute of the SSj2 form, lightning, jagged aura, etc.

2.) In an even shorter time after Gohan's fight with Dabura, we see SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Majin Vegeta fight, both of them share all the attributes of the SSJ2 form.

No matter how you look at it, its nearly impossible for Gohan to be an SSJ2. When he lacks almost all the attributes, and definitely lacks all the important ones (attributes we perfectly see Goku and Vegeta show a few chapters later.) There is no reason for Gohan to lack all those necessary attributes (When we've seen both him in the past and Goku and Vegeta express them.)

SSj Kid Gohan>>SSj Adult Gohan. Simple matter of logic, Gohan was said to have a lost a good deal of power.

Dabura was stated to have the advantage and by his own words, thought Gohan was trash. Gohan still put up a fight though, which means that the difference between Dabura and Gohan can't be that much and therefore, I see no reason to believe that Dabura should be any stronger than SSJ Kid Gohan at his best.
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Hurry My Curry Nov 21 2012, 08:32 PM Post #20
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Nov 21 2012, 02:59 PM
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Nov 21 2012, 07:31 AM
SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >= SPC. Dabura = SSjin (2) Teen Gohan. SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >> SSjin 2 Teen Gohan. Figure it out buddy.
SSJ2 Teen Gohan(Kid Gohan wasn't even a SSJ yet) >= SPC. Dabura(toying with Gohan) = SSJ2 Gohan.
Uhh.....SPC stated to power up like Son Gohan. Teen Gohan stated to be weaker than Kid Gohan. Dabura even with Teen Gohan.

SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >= SPC >> SSjin 2 Teen Gohan. For Dabura to even be comparable to SPC, Teen Gohan would have had to magically gain power between the budokai and the ship scene. Not to mention Gohan would have to be a SSjin 2, which the artwork contradicts.
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Animelover5487 Nov 22 2012, 12:51 AM Post #21
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Nov 21 2012, 08:05 PM
Several problems with that.

1.) We've seen Gohan transform into SSJ2 at the Budokai and had every single attribute of the SSj2 form, lightning, jagged aura, etc.

2.) In an even shorter time after Gohan's fight with Dabura, we see SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Majin Vegeta fight, both of them share all the attributes of the SSJ2 form.

No matter how you look at it, its nearly impossible for Gohan to be an SSJ2. When he lacks almost all the attributes, and definitely lacks all the important ones (attributes we perfectly see Goku and Vegeta show a few chapters later.) There is no reason for Gohan to lack all those necessary attributes (When we've seen both him in the past and Goku and Vegeta express them.)

SSj Kid Gohan>>SSj Adult Gohan. Simple matter of logic, Gohan was said to have a lost a good deal of power.

Dabura was stated to have the advantage and by his own words, thought Gohan was trash. Gohan still put up a fight though, which means that the difference between Dabura and Gohan can't be that much and therefore, I see no reason to believe that Dabura should be any stronger than SSJ Kid Gohan at his best.



That ignores Goku's whole statement. It's also implied by Goku and Vegeta's reactions to how much weaker Gohan has gotten too if he wasn't at full power aganist Dabura than how would they know he got weaker since the Cell fight?

AT probadly forgot how to draw it when he did the Dabura fight AT isn't perfect he makes mistakes too so unless you want to ignore what the manga says and implies than I think we should go with that being a mistake from AT.
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+ Pyrus Nov 22 2012, 01:09 AM Post #22
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 Forgot how to draw the form for an entire fight, eh?
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EMIYA Nov 22 2012, 02:02 AM Post #23
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"I am the bone of my sword."
Animelover5487
Nov 22 2012, 12:51 AM
Brofist
Nov 21 2012, 08:05 PM
Several problems with that.

1.) We've seen Gohan transform into SSJ2 at the Budokai and had every single attribute of the SSj2 form, lightning, jagged aura, etc.

2.) In an even shorter time after Gohan's fight with Dabura, we see SSj2 Goku and SSj2 Majin Vegeta fight, both of them share all the attributes of the SSJ2 form.

No matter how you look at it, its nearly impossible for Gohan to be an SSJ2. When he lacks almost all the attributes, and definitely lacks all the important ones (attributes we perfectly see Goku and Vegeta show a few chapters later.) There is no reason for Gohan to lack all those necessary attributes (When we've seen both him in the past and Goku and Vegeta express them.)

SSj Kid Gohan>>SSj Adult Gohan. Simple matter of logic, Gohan was said to have a lost a good deal of power.

Dabura was stated to have the advantage and by his own words, thought Gohan was trash. Gohan still put up a fight though, which means that the difference between Dabura and Gohan can't be that much and therefore, I see no reason to believe that Dabura should be any stronger than SSJ Kid Gohan at his best.



That ignores Goku's whole statement. It's also implied by Goku and Vegeta's reactions to how much weaker Gohan has gotten too if he wasn't at full power aganist Dabura than how would they know he got weaker since the Cell fight?

AT probadly forgot how to draw it when he did the Dabura fight AT isn't perfect he makes mistakes too so unless you want to ignore what the manga says and implies than I think we should go with that being a mistake from AT.
They already know Gohan is weaker when he transformed at the Budokai. Vegeta directly states that Gohan was much stronger as a child he only repeats the same thing when Gohan fights Dabura. As the Fuhrer mentioned, its highly unlikely AT forgot to draw the form (and all of its attributes) especially when he drew them before the fight and shortly afterwards.
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+ Solid Snake Nov 22 2012, 02:33 AM Post #24
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Hurry My Curry
Nov 21 2012, 08:32 PM
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Nov 21 2012, 02:59 PM
Hurry My Curry
Nov 21 2012, 07:31 AM
SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >= SPC. Dabura = SSjin (2) Teen Gohan. SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >> SSjin 2 Teen Gohan. Figure it out buddy.
SSJ2 Teen Gohan(Kid Gohan wasn't even a SSJ yet) >= SPC. Dabura(toying with Gohan) = SSJ2 Gohan.
Uhh.....SPC stated to power up like Son Gohan. Teen Gohan stated to be weaker than Kid Gohan. Dabura even with Teen Gohan.

SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >= SPC >> SSjin 2 Teen Gohan. For Dabura to even be comparable to SPC, Teen Gohan would have had to magically gain power between the budokai and the ship scene. Not to mention Gohan would have to be a SSjin 2, which the artwork contradicts.
I know what SPC said, and it doesn't really prove a point because Vegeta said that Dabura was toying with SSJ2 Gohan(don't know why you guys keep saying Kid Gohan when he wasn'r even a SSJ) and he can beat him.
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+ Pyrus Nov 22 2012, 02:35 AM Post #25
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Nov 22 2012, 02:33 AM
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Nov 21 2012, 08:32 PM
sderrick68
Nov 21 2012, 02:59 PM
Hurry My Curry
Nov 21 2012, 07:31 AM
SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >= SPC. Dabura = SSjin (2) Teen Gohan. SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >> SSjin 2 Teen Gohan. Figure it out buddy.
SSJ2 Teen Gohan(Kid Gohan wasn't even a SSJ yet) >= SPC. Dabura(toying with Gohan) = SSJ2 Gohan.
Uhh.....SPC stated to power up like Son Gohan. Teen Gohan stated to be weaker than Kid Gohan. Dabura even with Teen Gohan.

SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >= SPC >> SSjin 2 Teen Gohan. For Dabura to even be comparable to SPC, Teen Gohan would have had to magically gain power between the budokai and the ship scene. Not to mention Gohan would have to be a SSjin 2, which the artwork contradicts.
I know what SPC said, and it doesn't really prove a point because Vegeta said that Dabura was toying with SSJ2 Gohan(don't know why you guys keep saying Kid Gohan when he wasn'r even a SSJ) and he can beat him.
Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? He’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
Goku: “He really did slack off!”

Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P10.5-6
Context: as Gohan fights Dabra
Vegeta: “Damn it…this is pissing me off! Alright, I’ll finish this!”
Goku: “Don’t, Vegeta! Let [Gohan] do it. It ain’t like he’s completely losing.”

All Vegeta says about Dabura during the battle.
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+ Solid Snake Nov 22 2012, 02:45 AM Post #26
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Nov 22 2012, 02:35 AM
sderrick68
Nov 22 2012, 02:33 AM
Hurry My Curry
Nov 21 2012, 08:32 PM
sderrick68
Nov 21 2012, 02:59 PM
Hurry My Curry
Nov 21 2012, 07:31 AM
SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >= SPC. Dabura = SSjin (2) Teen Gohan. SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >> SSjin 2 Teen Gohan. Figure it out buddy.
SSJ2 Teen Gohan(Kid Gohan wasn't even a SSJ yet) >= SPC. Dabura(toying with Gohan) = SSJ2 Gohan.
Uhh.....SPC stated to power up like Son Gohan. Teen Gohan stated to be weaker than Kid Gohan. Dabura even with Teen Gohan.

SSjin 2 Kid Gohan >= SPC >> SSjin 2 Teen Gohan. For Dabura to even be comparable to SPC, Teen Gohan would have had to magically gain power between the budokai and the ship scene. Not to mention Gohan would have to be a SSjin 2, which the artwork contradicts.
I know what SPC said, and it doesn't really prove a point because Vegeta said that Dabura was toying with SSJ2 Gohan(don't know why you guys keep saying Kid Gohan when he wasn'r even a SSJ) and he can beat him.
Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P6.1-2
Context: as Dabra fights Gohan
Goku: “Magic, huh? He’s way stronger than I thought, ain’t he?”
Vegeta: “Hmph…Even so, he’s not an opponent [he? we?] can’t win against. [Gohan]’s so pathetic…So much so that he was stronger as a brat…”
Goku: “He really did slack off!”

Chapter: 455 (DBZ 261), P10.5-6
Context: as Gohan fights Dabra
Vegeta: “Damn it…this is pissing me off! Alright, I’ll finish this!”
Goku: “Don’t, Vegeta! Let [Gohan] do it. It ain’t like he’s completely losing.”

All Vegeta says about Dabura during the battle.
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+ Pyrus Nov 22 2012, 02:46 AM Post #27
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 Yes, but this is a canon battle, is it not?
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+ Solid Snake Nov 22 2012, 02:47 AM Post #28
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Nov 22 2012, 02:46 AM
Yes, but this is a canon battle, is it not?
Well the title show didn't say it.
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EMIYA Nov 22 2012, 02:49 AM Post #29
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Unless your dealing with non-canon material (Such as lets say we were debating something from the movie) you always use canon sources.
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+ Pyrus Nov 22 2012, 02:50 AM Post #30
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Nov 22 2012, 02:49 AM
Unless your dealing with non-canon material (Such as lets say we were debating something from the movie) you always use canon sources.
This.^

It's always assumed canon unless other specified or obvious by inclusion of non-canon characters.
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