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Accurate Power Levels
Topic Started: Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM (11,674 Views)
Zenet
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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 13 2013, 08:47 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 08:39 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 13 2013, 08:22 PM
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how do you split up the quotes like that?

The multi-quoting feature.
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you keep saying circular logic but your assuming tien is weaker than the sayains and his attack was haxed when it could be the other way round there’s circular logic for you.

No, that's not circular logic because I actually have a basis for my stance.

I think the Shin Kikoho is haxed because Ten's always been behind the Base Saiyans and nothing implied that status quo had changed. He was grouped in with the other humans and Gohan by Piccolo, so if he's above the Base Saiyans, then so are Krillin, Yamcha, and Gohan, and the latter would throw your entire theory to the trash bin in and of itself because he is a Saiyan just as much as Goku and Vegeta.

You think the attack isn't haxed and that Ten is just that strong. But why? Was he that strong against Gotenks-Boo?
Humans and piccolo surpass Vegeta for a brief moment from king kai training.

Piccolo was weaker than Base Vegeta, and Yadrat Goku. In Android arc he is inches away from SSJ Goku who also trained.

so why do you find it hard that the Humans not just Tien could have gotten stronger than the Base Saiyans.


Piccolo was shown and stated to have gotten that strong, showing a change in the status quo. Was it shown and/or stated that the humans did? I didn't see it.
znet
Jan 13 2013, 08:43 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 13 2013, 08:36 PM
When Vegeta rescued Goku from Android #19, Gero stated that things would finally start to get interesting.

That's it.

That's all I need to prove to you that Base Vegeta > Suppressed Piccolo > Gohan, Krillin, Tenshinhan, Yamcha.
how does that prove? Vegeta was seen as one of the strongest fighters while the humans and piccolo were seen as weak. because the android never knew that they have been preparing for there arrival

He had a scouter. If he thought Base Vegeta would be the only interesting person out of the bunch, that would make him the strongest.
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funny you only make piccolo suppressed.


Funny he's the only one who is shown and stated to be suppressed. The others would have had no reason not to be after Yamcha was attacked in West City.
The androids only had information no scouter's or then they wouldn't be surprised when getting there but kicked.

So semi cell getting hit back on forth with spit coming out his mouth by Tien attack isnt proving
Humans > Base sayians

but Dr Gero saying things are getting interested proves
Base sayians > Humans

when that statement could just mean the humans and piccolo are seen as underdogs.
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znet
Jan 13 2013, 08:56 PM
BukLau
Jan 13 2013, 08:50 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 08:23 PM
BukLau
Jan 13 2013, 08:13 PM
Tenshinhan's attack is haxed.

Even if you do not believe it in the Semi Perfect Cell scene, you must believe it in the Bootenks scene.
Buutenks attack was a weak ki

You can't even begin to prove that.
yes its takes allot of power to kill Dende, Hercule and a half dead Gohan.
It would, actually.

You don't have an accurate grasp on the power necessary to do that.

Plus, why would Bootenks suppress or hold back a ridiculous amount of power when he was about to blow up the Earth anyways?

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Alex D. Boss
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Jan 13 2013, 08:58 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 08:56 PM
yes its takes allot of power to kill Dende, Hercule and a half dead Gohan.
It also takes a lot of power to hit an attack from the side instead of head-on. ;)


This. And why would Buutenks be shocked and Gohan surprised after that attack? Answer this.
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The androids only had information no scouter's or then they wouldn't be surprised when getting there but kicked.

How did Gero know that SSjin Goku exceeded his data without a scouter, or that A19 was going to be destroyed if he kept getting beat on by Goku?
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So semi cell getting hit back on forth with spit coming out his mouth by Tien attack isnt proving
Humans > Base sayians

Hold on. Let me go reread the chapter where Base Goku used the Shin Kikoho on Cell.

Oh...wait... :unsure:
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but Dr Gero saying things are getting interested proves
Base sayians > Humans

when that statement could just mean the humans and piccolo are seen as underdogs.

Hurr, what? Doesn't make sense and looks like you're just twisting things.
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How bad is your logic? really piccolo didn't even dent imperfect cell from his attack Tien made semi cell cough out spit and you really think humans are below Base sayians. When its obvious to someone with a logical brain know base sayins couldn’t do so such a thing at that time.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

Are you now saying Tenshinhan>>Piccolo now? You've got to be kidding me.
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znet
Jan 13 2013, 10:51 PM
How bad is your logic? really piccolo didn't even dent imperfect cell from his attack Tien made semi cell cough out spit and you really think humans are below Base sayians. When its obvious to someone with a logical brain know base sayins couldn’t do so such a thing at that time.
Tien's attack was haxed.

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Jan 13 2013, 10:32 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 13 2013, 08:58 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 08:56 PM
yes its takes allot of power to kill Dende, Hercule and a half dead Gohan.
It also takes a lot of power to hit an attack from the side instead of head-on. ;)


This. And why would Buutenks be shocked and Gohan surprised after that attack? Answer this.
because it came out from no were.
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Jan 13 2013, 10:54 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 10:51 PM
How bad is your logic? really piccolo didn't even dent imperfect cell from his attack Tien made semi cell cough out spit and you really think humans are below Base sayians. When its obvious to someone with a logical brain know base sayins couldn’t do so such a thing at that time.
Tien's attack was haxed.

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even if its haxed base sayians couldn't do such a thing its the same attack he used agasnit nappa just a bit different so nothing to special to make it over the top hax.
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znet
Jan 13 2013, 10:56 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 13 2013, 10:54 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 10:51 PM
How bad is your logic? really piccolo didn't even dent imperfect cell from his attack Tien made semi cell cough out spit and you really think humans are below Base sayians. When its obvious to someone with a logical brain know base sayins couldn’t do so such a thing at that time.
Tien's attack was haxed.

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yeah its not going past x20
Because you don't like it going past 20x? Fail logic. It's totally unrelated to Tien's base power. Get over it.
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Jan 13 2013, 10:57 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 10:56 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 13 2013, 10:54 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 10:51 PM
How bad is your logic? really piccolo didn't even dent imperfect cell from his attack Tien made semi cell cough out spit and you really think humans are below Base sayians. When its obvious to someone with a logical brain know base sayins couldn’t do so such a thing at that time.
Tien's attack was haxed.

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yeah its not going past x20
Because you don't like it going past 20x? Fail logic. It's totally unrelated to Tien's base power. Get over it.
you think tien is below base sayain I think he is above with the humans lets leave it that though mine makes more sense.
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Even regular Kikoho was totally unrelated to Tenshinhan's Base Power. Goku was very slightly above him, yet it would've killed him.
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Kiosko Iwannabegattsu
Jan 13 2013, 10:57 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 10:56 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 13 2013, 10:54 PM
znet
Jan 13 2013, 10:51 PM
How bad is your logic? really piccolo didn't even dent imperfect cell from his attack Tien made semi cell cough out spit and you really think humans are below Base sayians. When its obvious to someone with a logical brain know base sayins couldn’t do so such a thing at that time.
Tien's attack was haxed.

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yeah its not going past x20
Because you don't like it going past 20x? Fail logic. It's totally unrelated to Tien's base power. Get over it.
and you think it should be more which is failed logic also
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znet
Jan 13 2013, 11:04 PM
and you think it should be more which is failed logic also
No, no it's not. You don't get it, do you? Tien is said to be a pesky fly, and Base Vegeta is supposed to making things interesting. That makes everything clear as day. The Kikoho has nothing, and I repeat, nothing to do with Tien's base power. There's no "limit" to what the amplifier is, so don't act like some random number that comes to your head overrides what we're shown in the manga. It doesn't.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

See, it doesn't make a bit of sense no matter how you look at it to have Tenshinhan or any humans above the Base Saiyans in the respected eras. Base Vegeta in the Freeza Arc alone had a massive gap over the humans. In fact he had a massive gap over first form Freeza (Zenkai Vegeta obviously) There is literally a million times differences between Base Vegeta and Tenshinhan at the Saiyan Arc. Vegeta contineued to train ruthelessly and yet Tenshinan somehow jumped his base form over a million times well past Vegeta's own even though Vegeta's training regime clearly outweights whatever Tenshinhan's own is?

That would make no sense, nothing at all indicates that Tenshinhan ever jumped up his power to that kind of level in such a short time.

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