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| Zenet | Jan 12 2013, 09:25 PM Post #76 |
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i didnt say no to the facts Edited by Zenet, Jan 13 2013, 02:17 AM.
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| + Kyouks | Jan 12 2013, 09:27 PM Post #77 |
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Do you mean Form 4? You need to make both of those gaps bigger. I didn't mention it, but Form 4 Freeza over Vegeta should be larger as well because Vegeta couldn't keep up with Freeza's speed after Freeza increased it. Also, Perfect Cell tanked Vegeta's kick which accounts for a gap even larger than Form 4 Freeza's advantage over Vegeta. Just rough numbers, but I would do it more similar to this- Form 4 Freeza vs Vegeta - 100 Vegeta - 75 Cell - 100 Vegeta - 60 Just a representation of the gaps. Remember, going by your previous levels, Recoome was around 75% of Vegeta, but he couldn't tank his punch. |
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| Zenet | Jan 12 2013, 09:34 PM Post #78 |
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this is based on the official numbers |
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| + Kyouks | Jan 12 2013, 09:38 PM Post #79 |
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You mean the Daizenshuu numbers, right? They're official, but they aren't Toriyama's power levels. Besides, those same official levels have Piccolo at 3500 and Nappa at 4000, which you don't have. You don't have to follow those guidebook levels if they're difficult to use. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 12 2013, 09:39 PM Post #80 |
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If they contradict the events in the manga, I'd say. And no, Raditz being higher than 1,200 doesn't contradict the manga... |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 12 2013, 09:40 PM Post #81 |
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znet just improve the powerlevels what Kyaks told you , then we can all move on. |
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| Zenet | Jan 12 2013, 09:50 PM Post #82 |
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AT bp were never made this is based on daizenshu so im just going to keep it us that. Edited by Zenet, Jan 12 2013, 09:51 PM.
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| + Kyouks | Jan 12 2013, 09:54 PM Post #83 |
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I know AT didn't make these, that's what I said. The Daizenshuu has Piccolo at 3500, and Nappa at 4000. Heck, it has Raditz at 1500. If you don't follow those, then there's no reason you have to follow the 150,000,000 or 120,000,000 either, because those levels lead to problems. |
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| Zenet | Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM Post #84 |
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| + Kyouks | Jan 13 2013, 02:39 AM Post #85 |
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What's this in response to? You are supposed to model your gaps around the fights, not the other way around. If Zarbon lost the way he did against Vegeta while at 22,000, then guess what? That's not a close gap. Besides, I already suggested you take the lowered Yuuki/Shouki route if you really want it to be bigger. Fair enough, small issue anyways. They're said to be about as strong as each other. How am I assuming anything? You should at least lower 3rd form Freeza to make it work out better, then..besides, if the gap is this small, then the gap between Freeza and SSJ Goku surely can't be as large as 1.25x. It took 5 minutes, sure, but the two were more or less blow for blow. Even after Freeza lost power due to the Nova Strike forcefield thing he used against Goku, he still landed several hits in their final scrimmage. A 1.25x is far too large for that. He did not get defeated as easily as Dodoria did against Vegeta, or as Zarbon did against Vegeta. Huh? I'm saying Mecha Freeza was suppressed because Gohan literally says he is.... So I guess he's so strong that he could entertain the notion of defeating 2 androids which could absolutely godstomp SSJ Trunks, which Yardrat Goku cannot do, even though he's still weaker than the latter. Gotcha. (No seriously, I don't think you get it. Not only does Piccolo believe he has gotten strong enough to deal with a hypothetical foe who could godstomp Trunks, he believes he has gotten too powerful. That warrants a very large increase. Not to mention the fact that Piccolo was the only one along with the Saiyans who didn't doubt himself, whereas the humans were all scared sh**less of the androids). Didn't we already go over this? The Shin Kikoho is unrelated Tien's base power. They made large increases, sure, but Gero literally says they're weaker than Base Vegeta. I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're saying here. Even if it decreased, that's not a reason for them to make such tiny increases overall. They are expecting to fight androids who beat the heck out of Trunks 3 years before. Therefore, they are stronger by a considerable amount even as Super Saiyans. But the difference is that neither of those other two fights involved tanks. Do you know what tanking is? It's when you hit a fighter, but it does no damage and they don't move. Recoome, who you have at about 1.33x stronger than Vegeta, was unable to tank Vegeta's punch. Gap should be bigger than that. Positive this is filler. They did catch up to an extent, as they are well above 50% Goku. But they're blown away by his full power. I wouldn't make Vegeta any higher than about 75% of Goku. Gohan's weaker than Cell, sure, but that's not what I argued. It can still get a huge boost if you make him lower. Besides, you need to make your SSJ2 multiplier bigger, because Injured SSJ2 Gohan should be stronger than MSSJ Gohan, and Injured Gohan is at less than half power. If you make the SSJ2 multiplier higher, you can have FP Cell's power up big, but still reasonably far away from Gohan. That's not the manga, so it doesn't matter. There is never an instance where a stronger foe was crippled in 2 blows, so it should be no different here. |
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| + Pyrus | Jan 13 2013, 03:15 AM Post #86 |
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Seriously, Znet, are you SERIOUSLY still saying this crap about Gohan at the Cell Games? I JUST destroyed your argument this week, not to mention in this thread before as well. Give it up, my boy. And wow, you're a bigger Tenshinhan fanboy than GridZero and Cocoman combined. You're downright delusional. You can't come up with a coherent, logical argument for them at all yet you still repeat it after each time you get it destroyed. You can have your opinion all you want, but you really need to think about what you say before you post it. Read the manga. It's clear you haven't. It looks like you're just using the crappy DB Wiki. Read up on circular logic because you use it in every argument and it's annoying. I'm not trying to sound cruel, but it's getting ridiculous how often we have to repeat these debates.
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| Zenet | Jan 13 2013, 11:13 AM Post #87 |
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Gohan is not stronger than cell its basically says it in the script you show you must not be looking it at right. Tien held of semi cell so unless you have crazy multiplier for his attack which I don’t use then go ahead. And no need to get angry this is a fourm about dbz/anime. Edited by Zenet, Jan 13 2013, 11:14 AM.
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Jan 13 2013, 03:23 PM Post #88 |
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I just saw your new list.Not bad.I have to make some observations,which have already been said by other members,so no need to repeat them.The only thing no one said,and i must point out is about Jeice's power.50 k is too close to Goku's 60 k.Goku deflected Jeice's amplified blast like nothing. |
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Jan 13 2013, 05:05 PM Post #89 |
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Exactly how strong is he saying Tenshinhan is in the Cell Saga? |
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| Alex D. Boss | Jan 13 2013, 05:29 PM Post #90 |
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Above Base Saiyans |
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