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Accurate Power Levels
Topic Started: Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM (11,676 Views)
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BukLau
Jan 12 2013, 08:33 PM
Anyone talking crap paste at this point should be labeled a troll.

No excuse to not know simplistic things in this era.

Different interpretation of events are different of course, but saying no to a fact is poop.


i didnt say no to the facts
Edited by Zenet, Jan 13 2013, 02:17 AM.
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 09:19 PM
the gap between cell and vegeta is the same than frizea form 3 vs vegeta.
Do you mean Form 4?

You need to make both of those gaps bigger. I didn't mention it, but Form 4 Freeza over Vegeta should be larger as well because Vegeta couldn't keep up with Freeza's speed after Freeza increased it. Also, Perfect Cell tanked Vegeta's kick which accounts for a gap even larger than Form 4 Freeza's advantage over Vegeta.

Just rough numbers, but I would do it more similar to this-

Form 4 Freeza vs Vegeta - 100
Vegeta - 75

Cell - 100
Vegeta - 60

Just a representation of the gaps. Remember, going by your previous levels, Recoome was around 75% of Vegeta, but he couldn't tank his punch.
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Kiosko Iwannabegattsu
Jan 12 2013, 09:27 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 09:19 PM
the gap between cell and vegeta is the same than frizea form 3 vs vegeta.
Do you mean Form 4?

You need to make both of those gaps bigger. I didn't mention it, but Form 4 Freeza over Vegeta should be larger as well because Vegeta couldn't keep up with Freeza's speed after Freeza increased it. Also, Perfect Cell tanked Vegeta's kick which accounts for a gap even larger than Form 4 Freeza's advantage over Vegeta.

Just rough numbers, but I would do it more similar to this-

Form 4 Freeza vs Vegeta - 100
Vegeta - 75

Cell - 100
Vegeta - 60

Just a representation of the gaps. Remember, going by your previous levels, Recoome was around 75% of Vegeta, but he couldn't tank his punch.
this is based on the official numbers
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 09:34 PM
this is based on the official numbers
You mean the Daizenshuu numbers, right?

They're official, but they aren't Toriyama's power levels. Besides, those same official levels have Piccolo at 3500 and Nappa at 4000, which you don't have. You don't have to follow those guidebook levels if they're difficult to use.
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Kiosko Iwannabegattsu
Jan 12 2013, 09:38 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 09:34 PM
this is based on the official numbers
You mean the Daizenshuu numbers, right?

They're official, but they aren't Toriyama's power levels. Besides, those same official levels have Piccolo at 3500 and Nappa at 4000, which you don't have. You don't have to follow those guidebook levels if they're difficult to use.
If they contradict the events in the manga, I'd say.

And no, Raditz being higher than 1,200 doesn't contradict the manga...
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znet just improve the powerlevels what Kyaks told you , then we can all move on.
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Kiosko Iwannabegattsu
Jan 12 2013, 09:38 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 09:34 PM
this is based on the official numbers
You mean the Daizenshuu numbers, right?

They're official, but they aren't Toriyama's power levels. Besides, those same official levels have Piccolo at 3500 and Nappa at 4000, which you don't have. You don't have to follow those guidebook levels if they're difficult to use.
AT bp were never made this is based on daizenshu so im just going to keep it us that.
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 09:50 PM
Kiosko Iwannabegattsu
Jan 12 2013, 09:38 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 09:34 PM
this is based on the official numbers
You mean the Daizenshuu numbers, right?

They're official, but they aren't Toriyama's power levels. Besides, those same official levels have Piccolo at 3500 and Nappa at 4000, which you don't have. You don't have to follow those guidebook levels if they're difficult to use.
AT bp were never made this is based on daizenshu so im just going to keep it us that.
I know AT didn't make these, that's what I said.

The Daizenshuu has Piccolo at 3500, and Nappa at 4000. Heck, it has Raditz at 1500. If you don't follow those, then there's no reason you have to follow the 150,000,000 or 120,000,000 either, because those levels lead to problems.
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Kiosko Iwannabegattsu
Jan 12 2013, 09:02 PM

1) Goku couldn’t keep with Vegeta who was 16,000 as normal so Goku is only 8000.

2) Zarbon should be lower than 22,000, seeing how he lost.

3) Guldo was facing Both . Guldo at 10,000 is still a big gap between krillin and Gohan

4) (Ginyu force) your assuming they should be the same strength.

4) (Frizea form 4 vs. Vegeta) Ill just stick with Daizenshuu's numbers also the gap is just fine. Looking at the previous gaps.

5) Goku vs Frieza~ In the Magna he never done good remember the fight was 5 mins so it took goku 5 mins to beat him doesn’t like rivals to me.

6) There is no Full power Mecha frizea his attachments is a replacement and kind cold should be very close to Mechna frizea also he was stated to be stronger than before.

7) Piccolo said he became strong has nothing to do with him surpassing yadrat Goku the fact is he still got a huge boost.

8) Evidence shows humans got a huge boost Tien holding of semi cell is one so they surpass base sayinas just like piccolo.

9) Vegeta being deposited of the androids just means they didn’t surpass trunks not the other way round

10) The SSJ mutplier decreases that’s why SSJ in android arc aren’t that much stronger.

11) cell gap between vegeta and trunks is fine remember the vegeta vs. zarbon fight or vegeta vs. frizea 2nd fight.

12) cell jrs gaps between vegeta is correct one of them reflected a final flash debunking your Attack multiplier (Light grenade/Final Flash).

13) The gap between Goku /vegeta and trunks is not that close its actually logical to think they caught up after trip 2nd trip in the time chamber

13) Goku was counting on Gohan inner rage basically meaning Gohan is weaker than cell

14) Cell full power up was massive so gets a huge boost. The same increase than the previous power up.

15) buff Cell was stated in the anime to be stronger but lacked speed.
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znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
1) Goku couldn’t keep with Vegeta who was 16,000 as normal so Goku is only 8000.
What's this in response to?

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
2) Zarbon should be lower than 22,000, seeing how he lost.
You are supposed to model your gaps around the fights, not the other way around. If Zarbon lost the way he did against Vegeta while at 22,000, then guess what? That's not a close gap.

Besides, I already suggested you take the lowered Yuuki/Shouki route if you really want it to be bigger.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
3) Guldo was facing Both . Guldo at 10,000 is still a big gap between krillin and Gohan
Fair enough, small issue anyways.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
4) (Ginyu force) your assuming they should be the same strength.
They're said to be about as strong as each other. How am I assuming anything?

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
4) (Frizea form 4 vs. Vegeta) Ill just stick with Daizenshuu's numbers also the gap is just fine. Looking at the previous gaps.
You should at least lower 3rd form Freeza to make it work out better, then..besides, if the gap is this small, then the gap between Freeza and SSJ Goku surely can't be as large as 1.25x. :)

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
5) Goku vs Frieza~ In the Magna he never done good remember the fight was 5 mins so it took goku 5 mins to beat him doesn’t like rivals to me.
It took 5 minutes, sure, but the two were more or less blow for blow. Even after Freeza lost power due to the Nova Strike forcefield thing he used against Goku, he still landed several hits in their final scrimmage. A 1.25x is far too large for that. He did not get defeated as easily as Dodoria did against Vegeta, or as Zarbon did against Vegeta.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
6) There is no Full power Mecha frizea his attachments is a replacement and kind cold should be very close to Mechna frizea also he was stated to be stronger than before.
Huh? I'm saying Mecha Freeza was suppressed because Gohan literally says he is....

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
7) Piccolo said he became strong has nothing to do with him surpassing yadrat Goku the fact is he still got a huge boost.
So I guess he's so strong that he could entertain the notion of defeating 2 androids which could absolutely godstomp SSJ Trunks, which Yardrat Goku cannot do, even though he's still weaker than the latter. Gotcha.

(No seriously, I don't think you get it. Not only does Piccolo believe he has gotten strong enough to deal with a hypothetical foe who could godstomp Trunks, he believes he has gotten too powerful. That warrants a very large increase. Not to mention the fact that Piccolo was the only one along with the Saiyans who didn't doubt himself, whereas the humans were all scared sh**less of the androids).

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
8) Evidence shows humans got a huge boost Tien holding of semi cell is one so they surpass base sayinas just like piccolo.
Didn't we already go over this? The Shin Kikoho is unrelated Tien's base power. They made large increases, sure, but Gero literally says they're weaker than Base Vegeta.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
9) Vegeta being deposited of the androids just means they didn’t surpass trunks not the other way round
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what you're saying here.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
10) The SSJ mutplier decreases that’s why SSJ in android arc aren’t that much stronger.
Even if it decreased, that's not a reason for them to make such tiny increases overall. They are expecting to fight androids who beat the heck out of Trunks 3 years before. Therefore, they are stronger by a considerable amount even as Super Saiyans.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
11) cell gap between vegeta and trunks is fine remember the vegeta vs. zarbon fight or vegeta vs. frizea 2nd fight.
But the difference is that neither of those other two fights involved tanks. Do you know what tanking is? It's when you hit a fighter, but it does no damage and they don't move. Recoome, who you have at about 1.33x stronger than Vegeta, was unable to tank Vegeta's punch. Gap should be bigger than that.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
12) cell jrs gaps between vegeta is correct one of them reflected a final flash debunking your Attack multiplier (Light grenade/Final Flash).
Positive this is filler.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
13) The gap between Goku /vegeta and trunks is not that close its actually logical to think they caught up after trip 2nd trip in the time chamber
They did catch up to an extent, as they are well above 50% Goku. But they're blown away by his full power. I wouldn't make Vegeta any higher than about 75% of Goku.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
13) Goku was counting on Gohan inner rage basically meaning Gohan is weaker than cell
Gohan's weaker than Cell, sure, but that's not what I argued.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
14) Cell full power up was massive so gets a huge boost. The same increase than the previous power up.
It can still get a huge boost if you make him lower. Besides, you need to make your SSJ2 multiplier bigger, because Injured SSJ2 Gohan should be stronger than MSSJ Gohan, and Injured Gohan is at less than half power. If you make the SSJ2 multiplier higher, you can have FP Cell's power up big, but still reasonably far away from Gohan.

znet
Jan 13 2013, 02:19 AM
15) buff Cell was stated in the anime to be stronger but lacked speed.
That's not the manga, so it doesn't matter. There is never an instance where a stronger foe was crippled in 2 blows, so it should be no different here.
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Seriously, Znet, are you SERIOUSLY still saying this crap about Gohan at the Cell Games? I JUST destroyed your argument this week, not to mention in this thread before as well. Give it up, my boy.

And wow, you're a bigger Tenshinhan fanboy than GridZero and Cocoman combined. You're downright delusional. You can't come up with a coherent, logical argument for them at all yet you still repeat it after each time you get it destroyed. You can have your opinion all you want, but you really need to think about what you say before you post it.

Read the manga. It's clear you haven't. It looks like you're just using the crappy DB Wiki. Read up on circular logic because you use it in every argument and it's annoying.

I'm not trying to sound cruel, but it's getting ridiculous how often we have to repeat these debates. :p
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Jan 13 2013, 03:15 AM
Seriously, Znet, are you SERIOUSLY still saying this crap about Gohan at the Cell Games? I JUST destroyed your argument this week, not to mention in this thread before as well. Give it up, my boy.

And wow, you're a bigger Tenshinhan fanboy than GridZero and Cocoman combined. You're downright delusional. You can't come up with a coherent, logical argument for them at all yet you still repeat it after each time you get it destroyed. You can have your opinion all you want, but you really need to think about what you say before you post it.

Read the manga. It's clear you haven't. It looks like you're just using the crappy DB Wiki. Read up on circular logic because you use it in every argument and it's annoying.

I'm not trying to sound cruel, but it's getting ridiculous how often we have to repeat these debates. :p


Gohan is not stronger than cell its basically says it in the script you show you must not be looking it at right.

Tien held of semi cell so unless you have crazy multiplier for his attack which I don’t use then go ahead. And no need to get angry this is a fourm about dbz/anime.
Edited by Zenet, Jan 13 2013, 11:14 AM.
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I just saw your new list.Not bad.I have to make some observations,which have already been said by other members,so no need to repeat
them.The only thing no one said,and i must point out is about Jeice's power.50 k is too close to Goku's 60 k.Goku deflected Jeice's amplified
blast like nothing.
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Exactly how strong is he saying Tenshinhan is in the Cell Saga?

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BukLau
Jan 13 2013, 05:05 PM
Exactly how strong is he saying Tenshinhan is in the Cell Saga?

Above Base Saiyans
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