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Topic Started: Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM (11,677 Views)
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Jan 12 2013, 07:38 PM
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This is not about Zarbon.
Only in the VIZ translation is Raditz 1,200. Let me repeat that.
Only
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Raditz
1,200.
What does the original Japanese version say?
Chapter: 215 (DBZ 21), P1.3 Context: after Tenshinhan beats a Saibaiman Nappa: "Im-impossible...!! The Saibaiman's battle power is 1,200...!! Going just by power, he rivals Raditz...!!"
The Saibamen at 1,200 only RIVAL Raditz.
What does Akira Toriyama, you know, the AUTHOR, say?
「しかし戦闘力はかなり高くラディッツより少し劣る程度。」 But their battle power is considerably high, at a level slightly inferior to Raditz
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/manga/
Read and concede.
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Zenet
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Jan 12 2013, 07:40 PM
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- Kamikaze Pyro
- Jan 12 2013, 07:38 PM
 This is not about Zarbon. Only in the VIZ translation is Raditz 1,200. Let me repeat that. Only in the VIZ translation is Raditz 1,200. What does the original Japanese version say? Chapter: 215 (DBZ 21), P1.3 Context: after Tenshinhan beats a Saibaiman Nappa: g"Im-impossible...!! The Saibaiman's battle power is 1,200...!! Going just by power, he rivals Raditz...!!" The Saibamen at 1,200 only RIVAL Raditz. What does Akira Toriyama, you know, the AUTHOR, say? u퓬͂͂Ȃ荂fBbc菭xBv gBut their battle power is considerably high, at a level slightly inferior to Raditzh http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/manga/Read and concede. em em what is viz? joking
so what is radtz bp
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Jan 12 2013, 07:41 PM
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Slightly higher than 1200. Still low enough so that a Saibaman gives him a good fight.
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Jan 12 2013, 07:42 PM
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- Jan 12 2013, 07:40 PM
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- Jan 12 2013, 07:38 PM
 This is not about Zarbon. Only in the VIZ translation is Raditz 1,200. Let me repeat that. Only in the VIZ translation is Raditz 1,200. What does the original Japanese version say? Chapter: 215 (DBZ 21), P1.3 Context: after Tenshinhan beats a Saibaiman Nappa: g"Im-impossible...!! The Saibaiman's battle power is 1,200...!! Going just by power, he rivals Raditz...!!" The Saibamen at 1,200 only RIVAL Raditz. What does Akira Toriyama, you know, the AUTHOR, say? u퓬͂͂Ȃ荂fBbc菭xBv gBut their battle power is considerably high, at a level slightly inferior to Raditzh http://www.kanzenshuu.com/battle-power/manga/Read and concede.
em em what is viz? joking so what is radtz bp Higher than 1,200. That's as much as we know, unless you go by the Daizenshuu's 1,500 for him.
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Jan 12 2013, 07:42 PM
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- Jan 12 2013, 07:41 PM
Slightly higher than 1200. Still low enough so that a Saibaman gives him a good fight. Around 1,325
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Jan 12 2013, 07:49 PM
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Slightly higher than 1200. Still low enough so that a Saibaman gives him a good fight.
Around 1,325 ill just say 1201 to piss KP
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Jan 12 2013, 07:49 PM
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- Jan 12 2013, 07:49 PM
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Slightly higher than 1200. Still low enough so that a Saibaman gives him a good fight.
Around 1,325
ill just say 1201 to piss KP I'm dying of anger right now. Please, please...raise it to 1202!
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Jan 12 2013, 08:28 PM
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Take your massive , znet.
Really, you'd think people have better things to do that try and bait KP into an argument.
That they're going to lose.
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Jan 12 2013, 08:30 PM
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Nah , znet is a good guy , atleast he accepts the truth , unlike some others who are still talking shet...
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Jan 12 2013, 08:33 PM
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Anyone talking crap paste at this point should be labeled a troll.
No excuse to not know simplistic things in this era.
Different interpretation of events are different of course, but saying no to a fact is poop.
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Jan 12 2013, 08:37 PM
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Znet you've put Raditz at 1,200 again? What the hell mane?
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I don't think he changed it yet, if he's going to.
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Jan 12 2013, 08:43 PM
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- Jan 12 2013, 08:42 PM
I don't think he changed it yet, if he's going to. He changed to 1,250 , and then changed back to 1,200.
I think Babidi controls him smh...
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Jan 12 2013, 09:02 PM
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Sayain saga Wut.
Saiyan*, just a little thing that's bugging me.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Raditz vs Goku and Piccolo~ Raditz: 1,200 Yeah, already went over his. More than 1200.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Arrival of Vegeta and Nappa~ Saibamen: 1,200 Yamcha: 1,480 Yamcha has too big of an advantage for the Saibaman to have given him a good fight. At least lower him to somewhere in the 1300 area.
- znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Krillin 1,770 Tien: 1,830 Chaotzu :610 Piccolo,: 2,500 Gohan: 980 Gohan,maseko: 3,000 The Masenko was 2800, not 3000. Include a level for Tien's Kikoho as well, and make sure Piccolo is lower than the Kikoho.
- znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Arrival of Goku~ Goku: 5,000 Goku full power,: 8,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken: 16,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken x 3: 24,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken x 4: 32,000 Goku was over 8000.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Nappa: 4,000 Nappa full power: 7,000 Nappa's at around a 1.14-1.15x advantage or so right here. Goku would've won easily with a gap this large. If Goku's around 8000, you should at least bump Nappa up to a bit higher than 7200 to go with Goku's statement that their fight could've gone on forever.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Vegeta,Oozaru: 180,000 Vegeta was beaten up and he had lost chi to make the moon ball. He should be lower than 180,000.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Vegeta: 24,000 Zarbon: 21,000 I don't think Zarbon should be lower than 22,000, seeing as how he wasn't very scared of Vegeta's initial 22,000 reading, and was only scared when 24,000 came up.
If you don't like him being so high, then you can simply add in a separate level for Zarbon with lowered Yuuki or Shouki (Yuuki is bravery, Shouki is true character, and both have an effect on chi. Zarbon's Yuuki could be lower due to fighting someone so much superior, and Shouki could be lower as he doesn't care much for fights and such). It'd look like:
Zarbon - 22,000 Zarbon (lowered Yuuki/Shouki) - 21,000
I'd personally just keep him at 22,000, but the above is fine too. Hopefully you were able to follow what I said right here.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Guldo: 10,000 Gohan and Krillin were just a bit over 10,000, and thought Guldo was weak sauce. He should be much lower than they are, also considering how much of a tough time he had stopping time with them. I'd make him weaker than Nappa, honestly.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Jeice: 50,000 Burter: 45,000 Recoome: 40,000 These 3 were all about the same strength. There shouldn't be such a difference between them all.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Captain Ginyu: 120,000 Gohan Zenkai: 19,000 Ginyu,in Goku's body: 23,000 Gohan with Zenkai should be superior to Ginyu in Goku.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Vegeta vs Freezer (1st Fight)~ Vegeta: 500,000 Frieza: 530,000 Frieza,form 2: 1,060,000 ~Piccolo vs Frieza~
Krillin: 300,000 Gohan: 400,000 Gohan angered: 1,000,000 Piccolo (fused with Nail w/weghts): 1,200,000 Piccolo ( fused with nail w/o weights): 1,500,000 Frieza,form 2: 1,060,000 Frieza form 2 full power: 1,400,000 Frieza,form 3: 2,300,000 Freeza powered up twice in 2nd form, once before Piccolo arrived and once after, so include them both.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Vegeta vs Frieza (2nd Fight)~ Vegeta,after Dendes heal: 2,500,000 Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000 The Form 3 to Form 4 power up should be a lot larger. It should at least be as large as the Form 2 to Form 3 power up. Also, Vegeta should be way stronger than 3rd form Freeza, not by such a small amount, because:
Vegeta > Form 4 Freeza (expected) >>> 3rd form Freeza. So take that all into consideration. It'll make your numbers bigger than the Daizenshuu's numbers, but I honestly don't think that's a problem.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Goku vs Frieza~ Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000 Frieza, 50% of full power: 60,000,000 Frieza, 100% full power: 120,000,000 Goku: 3,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x10: 30,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x20: 60,000,000 SSJ Goku: 150,000,000 Freeza shouldn't be so far away from Goku, the two are rivals. It isn't until Freeza starts to lose chi that Goku gains a noticeable edge. Going by this, Goku would've owned Freeza more easily than Vegeta did Dodoria, which obviously didn't happen even after Freeza started losing power.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Mecha Frizea: 150,000,000 King Cold: 130,000,000 King Cold was around the same level as a heavily suppressed Mecha Freeza, so he shouldn't be so close to a full power Mecha Freeza's level.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Goku: 22,000,000 Vegeta: 22,500,000 Trunks: 21,000,000 Gohan: 15,000,000 Krillin: 50,000,000 Tien: 45,000,000 Yamcha: 30,000,000 Piccolo w/weights: 150,000,000 piccolo w/o weights: 200,000,000 Piccolo should be on a level higher than Yardrat Goku, because when he fought Dr Gero, he brought up the notion of having become so strong, which would put him far higher than any of the Trunks Saga SSJs.
The humans are stated to be pesky flies in comparison to Base Vegeta, they should be noticeable lower.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Android 20 pre absorption: 140,000,000 Android 20 post absorption: 160,000,000 Android 19 pre absorption: 130,000,000 Android 19 post absorption: 150,000,000 19 after absorption should be a bit higher than Trunks when killing Freeza. Vegeta says he isn't as bad as the rumors made him out to be, and the rumors were that the androids would beat up a Trunks-level foe. He should be higher than the Trunks that killed Freeza, simply by a small amount. Going by that, Android 20 would end up higher as well.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
SSJ Goku: 220,000,000 SSJ Trunks: 210,000,000 SSJ Vegeta: 225,000,000 How come they're stronger than Yardrat Goku by such a small amount? Your level for that was 200,000,000. When taking into consideration the chain of 20 post absorptions >> 19 post absorptions > Trunks (killing Freeza), the Super Saiyans should be far higher than Yardrat Goku by now.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Piccolo w/weights: 300,000,00 Piccolo w/o weights: 350,000,000 Imperfect Cell: 290,000,000 Android 18: 300,000,000 Android 17: 350,000,000 Imperfect Cell post absorption: 500,000,000 Android 16: 500,000,000 Imperfect Cell initially should be lower than Weighted Piccolo by a noticeable amount, he was at a clear disadvantage even after taking some of Piccolo's power. After absorptions, he tanked a Light Grenade from Piccolo which should be far stronger than the Kamehameha during the Saiyan Saga, which was roughly 2.22x Goku's base power. Going by that:
Imperfect Cell >>> Light Grenade >>> 2.22x Piccolo >>> Piccolo. The gap should be very big.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Semi Perfect Cell: 1,200,000,000 Tien Tri Beam: 900,000,000 Vegeta: 100,000,000 SSJ Vegeta: 1,000,000,000 ASSJ Vegeta: 1,500,000,000 Trunks: 95,000,000 SSJ Trunks: 950,000,000 ASSJ Trunks: 1,425,000,000 Make sure you take into account the fact that Semi Cell powered up once when he fought Vegeta too.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
ASSJ Vegeta: 1,500,000,000 Perfect Cell: 1,800,000,000 USSJ Trunks: 1,900,000,000 Perfect Cell tanked Vegeta's kick to the neck, and USSJ Trunks "easily" surpassed Cell, so make these gaps bigger to account for that.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Goku: 340,000,000 Gohan: 350,000,000 SSJ 50% Goku: 1,700,000,000 Okay, now this I should commend you on. Most people on here like to have 50% SSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks, but I just can't see it that way anymore. You just have to make his advantage over ASSJ Vegeta bigger (same with Perfect Cell, as I said above).
- znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
SSJ 50% Gohan: 1,750,000,000 You need to make Gohan's advantage more noticeable, man. Cell only gained an upper hand when he increased his speed.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Krillin: 75,000,000 Tien: 60,000,000 Yamcha: 40,000,000 The humans shouldn't have gotten any stronger over the 10 day wait.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Trunks: 270,000,000 SSJ Trunks: 2,700,000,000 Vegeta: 300,000,000 SSJ Vegeta: 3,000,000,000 Goku: 340,000,000 SSJ Goku: 3,400,000,000 Trunks and Vegeta seem too close to full power Goku in power. They were completely blown away by it, remember. Also, include a level for Cell while he fights Goku.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Gohan: 350,000,000 SSJ Gohan: 3,500,000,000 Again, Gohan's advantage needs to be more noticeable. He thought Goku's level against Cell was a joke, and it's not until Cell increases his speed that Gohan truly begins to have trouble.
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
SSJ2 Gohan: 7,000,000,000 Cell jrs: 3,400,000,000 Perfect Cell: 3,600,000,000 FP Perfect Cell: 5,400,000,000 FP Buff Cell: 7,200,000,000 Super Perfect Cell: 6,300,000,000 The Cell Jrs shouldn't be too tremendously ahead of Vegeta, so I doubt they'd end up on Goku's level.
Buff Cell shouldn't be above Gohan, he was crippled in 2 blows. He should be considerably weaker. You can make up for this by making FP PC a bit lower. Even though Gohan didn't tank FP PC's punch, he didn't budge very much. If you've got Gohan at 7,000,000,000, then FP PC could be more suited to be around the 4 billion range. Not too far, not too close. Still a large gap. You should remember that Vegeta is about 75% of Recoome (30,000 to 40,000) and he landed a very good punch at the beginning of the fight that sent Recoome flying a bit. Having FP PC at, say, 60% of SSJ2 Kid Gohan is fine.
Anyways, good effort. Still many things I disagree on, but a much better effort than the last few times.
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Jan 12 2013, 09:19 PM
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- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Sayain saga
Wut. Saiyan*, just a little thing that's bugging me. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Raditz vs Goku and Piccolo~ Raditz: 1,200
Yeah, already went over his. More than 1200. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Arrival of Vegeta and Nappa~ Saibamen: 1,200 Yamcha: 1,480
Yamcha has too big of an advantage for the Saibaman to have given him a good fight. At least lower him to somewhere in the 1300 area. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Krillin 1,770 Tien: 1,830 Chaotzu :610 Piccolo,: 2,500 Gohan: 980 Gohan,maseko: 3,000
The Masenko was 2800, not 3000. Include a level for Tien's Kikoho as well, and make sure Piccolo is lower than the Kikoho. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Arrival of Goku~ Goku: 5,000 Goku full power,: 8,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken: 16,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken x 3: 24,000 Goku,Kaioh-ken x 4: 32,000
Goku was over 8000. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Nappa: 4,000 Nappa full power: 7,000
Nappa's at around a 1.14-1.15x advantage or so right here. Goku would've won easily with a gap this large. If Goku's around 8000, you should at least bump Nappa up to a bit higher than 7200 to go with Goku's statement that their fight could've gone on forever. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Vegeta,Oozaru: 180,000
Vegeta was beaten up and he had lost chi to make the moon ball. He should be lower than 180,000. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Vegeta: 24,000 Zarbon: 21,000
I don't think Zarbon should be lower than 22,000, seeing as how he wasn't very scared of Vegeta's initial 22,000 reading, and was only scared when 24,000 came up. If you don't like him being so high, then you can simply add in a separate level for Zarbon with lowered Yuuki or Shouki (Yuuki is bravery, Shouki is true character, and both have an effect on chi. Zarbon's Yuuki could be lower due to fighting someone so much superior, and Shouki could be lower as he doesn't care much for fights and such). It'd look like: Zarbon - 22,000 Zarbon (lowered Yuuki/Shouki) - 21,000 I'd personally just keep him at 22,000, but the above is fine too. Hopefully you were able to follow what I said right here. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Guldo: 10,000
Gohan and Krillin were just a bit over 10,000, and thought Guldo was weak sauce. He should be much lower than they are, also considering how much of a tough time he had stopping time with them. I'd make him weaker than Nappa, honestly. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Jeice: 50,000 Burter: 45,000 Recoome: 40,000
These 3 were all about the same strength. There shouldn't be such a difference between them all. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Captain Ginyu: 120,000 Gohan Zenkai: 19,000 Ginyu,in Goku's body: 23,000
Gohan with Zenkai should be superior to Ginyu in Goku. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Vegeta vs Freezer (1st Fight)~ Vegeta: 500,000 Frieza: 530,000 Frieza,form 2: 1,060,000 ~Piccolo vs Frieza~
Krillin: 300,000 Gohan: 400,000 Gohan angered: 1,000,000 Piccolo (fused with Nail w/weghts): 1,200,000 Piccolo ( fused with nail w/o weights): 1,500,000 Frieza,form 2: 1,060,000 Frieza form 2 full power: 1,400,000 Frieza,form 3: 2,300,000
Freeza powered up twice in 2nd form, once before Piccolo arrived and once after, so include them both. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Vegeta vs Frieza (2nd Fight)~ Vegeta,after Dendes heal: 2,500,000 Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000
The Form 3 to Form 4 power up should be a lot larger. It should at least be as large as the Form 2 to Form 3 power up. Also, Vegeta should be way stronger than 3rd form Freeza, not by such a small amount, because: Vegeta > Form 4 Freeza (expected) >>> 3rd form Freeza. So take that all into consideration. It'll make your numbers bigger than the Daizenshuu's numbers, but I honestly don't think that's a problem. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
~Goku vs Frieza~ Frieza,form 4: 3,000,000 Frieza, 50% of full power: 60,000,000 Frieza, 100% full power: 120,000,000 Goku: 3,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x10: 30,000,000 Goku, Kaioken x20: 60,000,000 SSJ Goku: 150,000,000
Freeza shouldn't be so far away from Goku, the two are rivals. It isn't until Freeza starts to lose chi that Goku gains a noticeable edge. Going by this, Goku would've owned Freeza more easily than Vegeta did Dodoria, which obviously didn't happen even after Freeza started losing power. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Mecha Frizea: 150,000,000 King Cold: 130,000,000
King Cold was around the same level as a heavily suppressed Mecha Freeza, so he shouldn't be so close to a full power Mecha Freeza's level. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Goku: 22,000,000 Vegeta: 22,500,000 Trunks: 21,000,000 Gohan: 15,000,000 Krillin: 50,000,000 Tien: 45,000,000 Yamcha: 30,000,000 Piccolo w/weights: 150,000,000 piccolo w/o weights: 200,000,000
Piccolo should be on a level higher than Yardrat Goku, because when he fought Dr Gero, he brought up the notion of having become so strong, which would put him far higher than any of the Trunks Saga SSJs. The humans are stated to be pesky flies in comparison to Base Vegeta, they should be noticeable lower. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Android 20 pre absorption: 140,000,000 Android 20 post absorption: 160,000,000 Android 19 pre absorption: 130,000,000 Android 19 post absorption: 150,000,000
19 after absorption should be a bit higher than Trunks when killing Freeza. Vegeta says he isn't as bad as the rumors made him out to be, and the rumors were that the androids would beat up a Trunks-level foe. He should be higher than the Trunks that killed Freeza, simply by a small amount. Going by that, Android 20 would end up higher as well. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
SSJ Goku: 220,000,000 SSJ Trunks: 210,000,000 SSJ Vegeta: 225,000,000
How come they're stronger than Yardrat Goku by such a small amount? Your level for that was 200,000,000. When taking into consideration the chain of 20 post absorptions >> 19 post absorptions > Trunks (killing Freeza), the Super Saiyans should be far higher than Yardrat Goku by now. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Piccolo w/weights: 300,000,00 Piccolo w/o weights: 350,000,000 Imperfect Cell: 290,000,000 Android 18: 300,000,000 Android 17: 350,000,000 Imperfect Cell post absorption: 500,000,000 Android 16: 500,000,000
Imperfect Cell initially should be lower than Weighted Piccolo by a noticeable amount, he was at a clear disadvantage even after taking some of Piccolo's power. After absorptions, he tanked a Light Grenade from Piccolo which should be far stronger than the Kamehameha during the Saiyan Saga, which was roughly 2.22x Goku's base power. Going by that: Imperfect Cell >>> Light Grenade >>> 2.22x Piccolo >>> Piccolo. The gap should be very big. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Semi Perfect Cell: 1,200,000,000 Tien Tri Beam: 900,000,000 Vegeta: 100,000,000 SSJ Vegeta: 1,000,000,000 ASSJ Vegeta: 1,500,000,000 Trunks: 95,000,000 SSJ Trunks: 950,000,000 ASSJ Trunks: 1,425,000,000
Make sure you take into account the fact that Semi Cell powered up once when he fought Vegeta too. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
ASSJ Vegeta: 1,500,000,000 Perfect Cell: 1,800,000,000 USSJ Trunks: 1,900,000,000
Perfect Cell tanked Vegeta's kick to the neck, and USSJ Trunks "easily" surpassed Cell, so make these gaps bigger to account for that. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Goku: 340,000,000 Gohan: 350,000,000 SSJ 50% Goku: 1,700,000,000
Okay, now this I should commend you on. Most people on here like to have 50% SSJ Goku > USSJ Trunks, but I just can't see it that way anymore. You just have to make his advantage over ASSJ Vegeta bigger (same with Perfect Cell, as I said above). - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
SSJ 50% Gohan: 1,750,000,000
You need to make Gohan's advantage more noticeable, man. Cell only gained an upper hand when he increased his speed. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Krillin: 75,000,000 Tien: 60,000,000 Yamcha: 40,000,000
The humans shouldn't have gotten any stronger over the 10 day wait. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Trunks: 270,000,000 SSJ Trunks: 2,700,000,000 Vegeta: 300,000,000 SSJ Vegeta: 3,000,000,000 Goku: 340,000,000 SSJ Goku: 3,400,000,000
Trunks and Vegeta seem too close to full power Goku in power. They were completely blown away by it, remember. Also, include a level for Cell while he fights Goku. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
Gohan: 350,000,000 SSJ Gohan: 3,500,000,000
Again, Gohan's advantage needs to be more noticeable. He thought Goku's level against Cell was a joke, and it's not until Cell increases his speed that Gohan truly begins to have trouble. - znet
- Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM
SSJ2 Gohan: 7,000,000,000 Cell jrs: 3,400,000,000 Perfect Cell: 3,600,000,000 FP Perfect Cell: 5,400,000,000 FP Buff Cell: 7,200,000,000 Super Perfect Cell: 6,300,000,000
The Cell Jrs shouldn't be too tremendously ahead of Vegeta, so I doubt they'd end up on Goku's level. Buff Cell shouldn't be above Gohan, he was crippled in 2 blows. He should be considerably weaker. You can make up for this by making FP PC a bit lower. Even though Gohan didn't tank FP PC's punch, he didn't budge very much. If you've got Gohan at 7,000,000,000, then FP PC could be more suited to be around the 4 billion range. Not too far, not too close. Still a large gap. You should remember that Vegeta is about 75% of Recoome (30,000 to 40,000) and he landed a very good punch at the beginning of the fight that sent Recoome flying a bit. Having FP PC at, say, 60% of SSJ2 Kid Gohan is fine. Anyways, good effort. Still many things I disagree on, but a much better effort than the last few times. the gap between cell and vegeta is the same than frizea form 3 vs vegeta.
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