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Accurate Power Levels
Topic Started: Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM (11,678 Views)
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Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:16 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:05 PM
Or maybe piccolo was just using a example of how strong the andriods were compared to krillin. also andriod 19 could be stronger than dr gero post asorbtion that could explain why piccolo was the most dominateing fighter.


Piccolo uses a example how even the SSJ's couldn't defeat them , he compares them to himself. He admits that to Krillin.

znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:05 PM
the humans didnt increase that much.

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Tien: 45,000,000
Krillin: 50,000,000
Yamcha: 30,000,000

Tien: 60,000,000
Krillin: 75,000,000
Yamcha: 40,000,000


What's this then?
but compared to the other fighters those increases are very little.
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:17 PM
Gohan head but was 1300 if raditz was 1500 he wouldn’t have been harmed the way he did.
The fact that Raditz still could walk after the hit..
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:17 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 12 2013, 06:10 PM
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1) Raditz was officially 1200 plus him being scared of piccolo and goku attack says he should be only 1200

No, he really, really...

REALLY

is not officially 1,200. That is the Viz translation ONLY. The Japanese version, the guidebooks, and Akira Toriyama himself acknowledge that Raditz is above 1,200. Didn't I go over this already, or multiple times in your lists? :huh:
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3) I think piccolo is stronger than trunks due to his performance against android 20 you could say he did better than goku before (virus) and vegeta fight with android 19 who is weaker than android 20 so he should be very close or exactly the same than Goku and Vegeta.

Piccolo regards Trunks as the gauge for the performance against the androids after Vegeta (since Goku is out). Kami puts the Super Saiyans in their own tier without Piccolo.

Piccolo < Super Saiyans
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4) Tien always trains

10 days. Get that bull out of here.
Gohan head but was 1300 if raditz was 1500 he wouldn’t have been harmed the way he did.
I didn't say he was 1,500. I only said he was NOT 1,200, which he is not according to at least three sources, including the author himself. Why continue arguing against the author?
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but compared to the other fighters those increases are very little.

It doesn't matter. It was 10 days. That's just not even logical, man!
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
but compared to the other fighters those increases are very little.
Ok forget that increase thing.

Do you agree now that SSJ's>Piccolo?
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Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
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Jan 12 2013, 06:17 PM
Gohan head but was 1300 if raditz was 1500 he wouldn’t have been harmed the way he did.
The fact that Raditz still could walk after the hit..
if raditz was stronger than the headbut he woundnt have been harmed plus he was scared of goku kamehameha who was only 900.
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:23 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:17 PM
Gohan head but was 1300 if raditz was 1500 he wouldn’t have been harmed the way he did.
The fact that Raditz still could walk after the hit..
if raditz was stronger than the headbut he woundnt have been harmed plus he was scared of goku kamehameha who was only 900.
Yeah but he deflected it. So whats your point?

Raditz is higher than 1,200 , period.
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Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:20 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
but compared to the other fighters those increases are very little.
Ok forget that increase thing.

Do you agree now that SSJ's>Piccolo?
yes and no because piccolo had better feats against the stronger android than goku/vegeta against the weaker android he should be rivalling them not below trunks who was much weaker than goku when he killed frizea so it must have remained the same in android arc.
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Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:24 PM
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Jan 12 2013, 06:23 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:17 PM
Gohan head but was 1300 if raditz was 1500 he wouldn’t have been harmed the way he did.
The fact that Raditz still could walk after the hit..
if raditz was stronger than the headbut he woundnt have been harmed plus he was scared of goku kamehameha who was only 900.
Yeah but he deflected it. So whats your point?

Raditz is higher than 1,200 , period.
1200 could block a 900 attack. if he was more than 1200 he would reflect it with his hair
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:27 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:20 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
but compared to the other fighters those increases are very little.
Ok forget that increase thing.

Do you agree now that SSJ's>Piccolo?
yes and no because piccolo had better feats against the stronger android than goku/vegeta against the weaker android he should be rivalling them not below trunks who was much weaker than goku when he killed frizea so it must have remained the same in android arc.

Androids don't feel pain or fatigue. Goku was thrashing A19 until he used his Kamehameha; he was going to break him until that point, as stated by A20. Vegeta reeled back a foot or so from A19's punch to test him out, and then utterly dismantled him. Trunks didn't even fight one of them, so he's not really comparable here.

Piccolo chopped off A20's hand, and that was it. Is that a better feat than actually destroying an android?
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:32 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:24 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:23 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:17 PM
Gohan head but was 1300 if raditz was 1500 he wouldn’t have been harmed the way he did.
The fact that Raditz still could walk after the hit..
if raditz was stronger than the headbut he woundnt have been harmed plus he was scared of goku kamehameha who was only 900.
Yeah but he deflected it. So whats your point?

Raditz is higher than 1,200 , period.
1200 could block a 900 attack. if he was more than 1200 he would reflect it with his hair

He blocked it with one hand with no ill side effects, unlike Nappa whose hand was singed after Gohan's Masenko. You can argue it all you want, but you'd continue to sound like you have authority over Akira Toriyama by going against his specific intention here.
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:27 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:20 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
but compared to the other fighters those increases are very little.
Ok forget that increase thing.

Do you agree now that SSJ's>Piccolo?
yes and no because piccolo had better feats against the stronger android than goku/vegeta against the weaker android he should be rivalling them not below trunks who was much weaker than goku when he killed frizea so it must have remained the same in android arc.
Trunks increased from Trunks saga too , there is no way he stays the same as Trunks saga , otherwise why would he come?

Piccolo states that SSJ's are stronger than him , Vegeta is stronger than Goku , and Trunks is below those 2 , and Piccolo is below Trunks , not that much but a little but below.

Chapter: 354 (DBZ 160), P4.1
Context: after No.17 knocks out Trunks
Kuririn: “O-one hit..! And he was a Super Saiyan…!”

BAM!

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4
Tenshinhan: “Th-this is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…”

BAMBAM!

They didn't say nothing about Piccolo while Trunks was a surprise. This proves that Trunks is above Piccolo.

Krillin states

Tien states

Trunks>Piccolo.
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Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:40 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:27 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:20 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
but compared to the other fighters those increases are very little.
Ok forget that increase thing.

Do you agree now that SSJ's>Piccolo?
yes and no because piccolo had better feats against the stronger android than goku/vegeta against the weaker android he should be rivalling them not below trunks who was much weaker than goku when he killed frizea so it must have remained the same in android arc.
Trunks increased from Trunks saga too , there is no way he stays the same as Trunks saga , otherwise why would he come?

Piccolo states that SSJ's are stronger than him , Vegeta is stronger than Goku , and Trunks is below those 2 , and Piccolo is below Trunks , not that much but a little but below.

Chapter: 354 (DBZ 160), P4.1
Context: after No.17 knocks out Trunks
Kuririn: “O-one hit..! And he was a Super Saiyan…!”

BAM!

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.3-4
Tenshinhan: “Th-this is the man who took down Freeza…And he was helpless before these androids…I’ll be frank…! No matter how strong Goku may be, he shouldn’t be that different from Trunks or Vegeta…”

BAMBAM!

They didn't say nothing about Piccolo while Trunks was a surprise. This proves that Trunks is above Piccolo.

Krillin states

Tien states

Trunks>Piccolo.
Ok SSJ trunks > Piccolo BAM!
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Ok SSJ trunks > Piccolo BAM!


:Tori: BAM !

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Kamikaze Pyro
Jan 12 2013, 06:38 PM
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Jan 12 2013, 06:27 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:20 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
but compared to the other fighters those increases are very little.
Ok forget that increase thing.

Do you agree now that SSJ's>Piccolo?
yes and no because piccolo had better feats against the stronger android than goku/vegeta against the weaker android he should be rivalling them not below trunks who was much weaker than goku when he killed frizea so it must have remained the same in android arc.

Androids don't feel pain or fatigue. Goku was thrashing A19 until he used his Kamehameha; he was going to break him until that point, as stated by A20. Vegeta reeled back a foot or so from A19's punch to test him out, and then utterly dismantled him. Trunks didn't even fight one of them, so he's not really comparable here.

Piccolo chopped off A20's hand, and that was it. Is that a better feat than actually destroying an android?
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:32 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:24 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:23 PM
Tien Shinhan
Jan 12 2013, 06:18 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:17 PM
Gohan head but was 1300 if raditz was 1500 he wouldn’t have been harmed the way he did.
The fact that Raditz still could walk after the hit..
if raditz was stronger than the headbut he woundnt have been harmed plus he was scared of goku kamehameha who was only 900.
Yeah but he deflected it. So whats your point?

Raditz is higher than 1,200 , period.
1200 could block a 900 attack. if he was more than 1200 he would reflect it with his hair

He blocked it with one hand with no ill side effects, unlike Nappa whose hand was singed after Gohan's Masenko. You can argue it all you want, but you'd continue to sound like you have authority over Akira Toriyama by going against his specific intention here.
but officaly zarbon is 23,000 but every fan including you knows that is wrong. also the fact gohan headbut gave raditz a heart attack means hes below 1300 and officaly raidtz is 1200. and he is compared to a sibamen whos also 1200

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Gattsu Iwannabekiosko
Jan 12 2013, 06:11 PM
Why do people even use powerlevels? Haven't various DBZ official sites stated that they're basically worthless and become immeasurable? 9/10 posts contain nothing but, "Oh since his powerlevel is 2 points more he automatically wins." Why don't actual feats or traits come into play?
Not sure about other people; some people feel like it's the decider of everything in a match, their list says it, so it's right. Others use it just for the sake of comparing different fighters in a different way, to try to understand how powers correlate and stuff like that (can't quite find the right words).

I made one too a while back, and I made it-

1) For the lolz
2) Just to get a visual representation on how certain character fights compare with each other (feats and such are used to determine gaps and such, then you could look at the end result to compare different fights or different people)
3) A few characters honestly can't get any placement without them. For example, the humans in the Androids Saga have little on them aside from the fact that they're below the Base Saiyans and that their chi added together with a Suppressed Piccolo can help Gero defeat SSJ Vegeta. With those alone, it's impossible to tell how strong they are in comparison to, say, Freeza, but putting them into a power level list, someone could at least get an idea (obviously it wouldn't be fact, but it's better than nothing)
4) Every now and then some ridiculous "Android 19 SSJ3 vs Imperfect Cell Oozaru" topic comes up where having numbers on hand is a bit of a help (again, not a factual way to end the debate, but better than nothing)

As for the last question, dem pplz is n00bz. Unless you mean stated PLs from the show, in which case, yeah, if Nail and Vegeta are matched up, for example, Nail's stated to be 42,000 and Vegeta was 30,000 when he fought Recoome, so people would look at that and say Nail wins. Even back in DB, power and speed were honestly the most important things; other things come to play only when your power and speed are close together to the point that things could go either way (or if you have a hax technique like Destructo Disc).

But for the record, yeah you could say they're "immeasurable" and they could be closer to worthless than they are..not worthless. Anyways hoped I help.
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 07:26 PM
but officaly zarbon is 23,000 but every fan including you knows that is wrong. also the fact gohan headbut gave raditz a heart attack means hes below 1300 and officaly raidtz is 1200. and he is compared to a sibamen whos also 1200

Chapter: 215 (DBZ 21), P1.3
Context: after Tenshinhan beats a Saibaiman
Nappa: “"Im-impossible...!! The Saibaiman's battle power is 1,200...!! Going just by power, he rivals Raditz...!!"

Raditz is not 1,200. He is higher than that.
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