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Accurate Power Levels
Topic Started: Nov 11 2012, 02:37 AM (11,679 Views)
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znet
Nov 13 2012, 11:56 PM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Nov 13 2012, 11:45 PM
znet
Nov 13 2012, 11:42 PM
there is no eveidnce
Kaioshin can defeat Freeza in a single blow; Kaioshin is weaker than the Base Saiyans.

There's your proof.
no proff base sayains are stonger thansupreme kai
He thinks they have to team up to defeat Yakon. That means Yakon is much stronger than he is. Goku in his base is a bit higher than Yakon.

Base Goku > Yakon >> Kaioshin >> Freeza.
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znet
Nov 13 2012, 11:56 PM
Kyouka Suigetsu
Nov 13 2012, 11:45 PM
znet
Nov 13 2012, 11:42 PM
there is no eveidnce
Kaioshin can defeat Freeza in a single blow; Kaioshin is weaker than the Base Saiyans.

There's your proof.
no proff base sayains are stonger thansupreme kai


Kaioshin was sacred of Pui Pui Base Vegeta one shotted Pui Pui.
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Kaioshin admitted inferiority to Goku at the tournament. He had no reason to think Vegeta was any different than Goku since he also knew he was a Saiyan and that Vegeta wanted Goku's ***** on a platter at the tourney. He still warned them about Pui-Pui.

Base Vegeta > Base Vegeta (suppressed) > Pui-Pui > Super Saiyans (expected) > Kaioshin > Freeza
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znet
Nov 13 2012, 11:25 PM
then in that case base form remain lower than 50% frizea you cant have a base form that high and then have trnaformations after that i think if arkia toryeima were to rewrite the powerlvels he wouldnt have base sayian that storng so my powerlvels are pretty much based on that.
What you think Toriyama would do holds no ground in a debate of what Toriyama actually did.
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Just randomly decided to change the list completely thumbs if you think its accurate.
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Raditz should be rival Saibaman , I would put him atleast 1,350 or 1,325
Krillin should be higher than Gohan until Frieza arc , since Krillin did better against Dodoria than Gohan , and fought better than Gohan against Ginyu in Manga.
Guldo should be lower than Nappa FP , since Guldo couldn't handle Gohan/Krillin who were 13/14,000
Android saga: Trunks should be above Piccolo , as it was stated that even the SSJ's couldn't defeat Androids meaning the SSJs were above Piccolo. Vegeta>Goku>Trunks>Piccolo
Why are the pwls of humans increased between Android and Cell saga? They didn't train.

Overall , A good list , I'm impressed. Good job :)
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Jan 12 2013, 04:26 PM
Raditz should be rival Saibaman , I would put him atleast 1,350 or 1,325
Krillin should be higher than Gohan until Frieza arc , since Krillin did better against Dodoria than Gohan , and fought better than Gohan against Ginyu in Manga.
Guldo should be lower than Nappa FP , since Guldo couldn't handle Gohan/Krillin who were 13/14,000
Android saga: Trunks should be above Piccolo , as it was stated that even the SSJ's couldn't defeat Androids meaning the SSJs were above Piccolo. Vegeta>Goku>Trunks>Piccolo
Why are the pwls of humans increased between Android and Cell saga? They didn't train.

Overall , A good list , I'm impressed. Good job :)
Thanks for the feedback

1) Raditz was officially 1200 plus him being scared of piccolo and goku attack says he should be only 1200

2) remember Guldo was facing both of them.

3) I think piccolo is stronger than trunks due to his performance against android 20 you could say he did better than goku before (virus) and vegeta fight with android 19 who is weaker than android 20 so he should be very close or exactly the same than Goku and Vegeta.

4) Tien always trains
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znet
Jan 12 2013, 05:26 PM
1) Raditz was officially 1200 plus him being scared of piccolo and goku attack says he should be only 1200

Nappa was surprised when Piccolo was 1,200 initial and says how he defeated Raditz. This shows that Raditz should be higher than Saibaman so 1,325 or 50 would be good for us to understand that.
znet
Jan 12 2013, 05:26 PM
2) remember Guldo was facing both of them.

True , but he ran and didn't even fought H2H against them shows how weak he was compared to Nappa. Don't forget that Krillin/Gohan were only at 13,000. Compare that to 10,000.. weird isn't it?
znet
Jan 12 2013, 05:26 PM
3) I think piccolo is stronger than trunks due to his performance against android 20 you could say he did better than goku before (virus) and vegeta fight with android 19 who is weaker than android 20 so he should be very close or exactly the same than Goku and Vegeta.

Trunks would stomp those 2 droids too.

Look at this:

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.2
Context: after Kuririn apologies for not joining the fight with No.17 and No.18
Piccolo: “Don’t worry about it. Even Trunks as a Super Saiyan was done in with basically one blow. It wouldn’t have made any difference if you had come.”

This proves that SSJ Trunks>Piccolo. Piccolo admits that even a SSJ like Trunks couln't defeat them meaning that Trunks was above himself.
znet
Jan 12 2013, 05:26 PM
4) Tien always trains


Yeah he always trains , but when did the humans train in Cell saga? Tien said once that he is going to train with Chiautzu when he took him to home , but that could be filler IIRC. Also you have Tien above Krillin in Android saga and then vice versa.
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Jan 12 2013, 05:40 PM
znet
Jan 12 2013, 05:26 PM
1) Raditz was officially 1200 plus him being scared of piccolo and goku attack says he should be only 1200

Nappa was surprised when Piccolo was 1,200 initial and says how he defeated Raditz. This shows that Raditz should be higher than Saibaman so 1,325 or 50 would be good for us to understand that.
znet
Jan 12 2013, 05:26 PM
2) remember Guldo was facing both of them.

True , but he ran and didn't even fought H2H against them shows how weak he was compared to Nappa. Don't forget that Krillin/Gohan were only at 13,000. Compare that to 10,000.. weird isn't it?
znet
Jan 12 2013, 05:26 PM
3) I think piccolo is stronger than trunks due to his performance against android 20 you could say he did better than goku before (virus) and vegeta fight with android 19 who is weaker than android 20 so he should be very close or exactly the same than Goku and Vegeta.

Trunks would stomp those 2 droids too.

Look at this:

Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.2
Context: after Kuririn apologies for not joining the fight with No.17 and No.18
Piccolo: “Don’t worry about it. Even Trunks as a Super Saiyan was done in with basically one blow. It wouldn’t have made any difference if you had come.”

This proves that SSJ Trunks>Piccolo. Piccolo admits that even a SSJ like Trunks couln't defeat them meaning that Trunks was above himself.
znet
Jan 12 2013, 05:26 PM
4) Tien always trains


Yeah he always trains , but when did the humans train in Cell saga? Tien said once that he is going to train with Chiautzu when he took him to home , but that could be filler IIRC. Also you have Tien above Krillin in Android saga and then vice versa.


ok I agree with trunks being stronger since it is stated.

also with Tien training I don’t think AT would show it but he always trains in the back-story so I think he gets stronger and because krillin is said to be stronger I would asume he and yamcha would get stronger
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ok I agree with trunks being stronger since it is stated.

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znet
 
also with Tien training I don’t think AT would show it but he always trains in the back-story so I think he gets stronger and because krillin is said to be stronger I would asume he and yamcha would get stronger


Yeah but why did they increase so much in few days?

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Jan 12 2013, 06:01 PM
znet
 
ok I agree with trunks being stronger since it is stated.

:)

znet
 
also with Tien training I don’t think AT would show it but he always trains in the back-story so I think he gets stronger and because krillin is said to be stronger I would asume he and yamcha would get stronger


Yeah but why did they increase so much in few days?

:gokudance:
Or maybe piccolo was just using a example of how strong the andriods were compared to krillin. also andriod 19 could be stronger than dr gero post asorbtion that could explain why piccolo was the most dominateing fighter.

the humans didnt increase that much.
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1) Raditz was officially 1200 plus him being scared of piccolo and goku attack says he should be only 1200

No, he really, really...

REALLY

is not officially 1,200. That is the Viz translation ONLY. The Japanese version, the guidebooks, and Akira Toriyama himself acknowledge that Raditz is above 1,200. Didn't I go over this already, or multiple times in your lists? :huh:
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3) I think piccolo is stronger than trunks due to his performance against android 20 you could say he did better than goku before (virus) and vegeta fight with android 19 who is weaker than android 20 so he should be very close or exactly the same than Goku and Vegeta.

Piccolo regards Trunks as the gauge for the performance against the androids after Vegeta (since Goku is out). Kami puts the Super Saiyans in their own tier without Piccolo.

Piccolo < Super Saiyans
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4) Tien always trains

10 days. Get that bull out of here.
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I guess i'll use this topic to answer my question.

Why do people even use powerlevels? Haven't various DBZ official sites stated that they're basically worthless and become immeasurable? 9/10 posts contain nothing but, "Oh since his powerlevel is 2 points more he automatically wins." Why don't actual feats or traits come into play?
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Jan 12 2013, 06:05 PM
Or maybe piccolo was just using a example of how strong the andriods were compared to krillin. also andriod 19 could be stronger than dr gero post asorbtion that could explain why piccolo was the most dominateing fighter.


Piccolo uses a example how even the SSJ's couldn't defeat them , he compares them to himself. He admits that to Krillin.

znet
Jan 12 2013, 06:05 PM
the humans didnt increase that much.

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Tien: 45,000,000
Krillin: 50,000,000
Yamcha: 30,000,000

Tien: 60,000,000
Krillin: 75,000,000
Yamcha: 40,000,000


What's this then?
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Jan 12 2013, 06:10 PM
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1) Raditz was officially 1200 plus him being scared of piccolo and goku attack says he should be only 1200

No, he really, really...

REALLY

is not officially 1,200. That is the Viz translation ONLY. The Japanese version, the guidebooks, and Akira Toriyama himself acknowledge that Raditz is above 1,200. Didn't I go over this already, or multiple times in your lists? :huh:
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3) I think piccolo is stronger than trunks due to his performance against android 20 you could say he did better than goku before (virus) and vegeta fight with android 19 who is weaker than android 20 so he should be very close or exactly the same than Goku and Vegeta.

Piccolo regards Trunks as the gauge for the performance against the androids after Vegeta (since Goku is out). Kami puts the Super Saiyans in their own tier without Piccolo.

Piccolo < Super Saiyans
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4) Tien always trains

10 days. Get that bull out of here.
Gohan head but was 1300 if raditz was 1500 he wouldn’t have been harmed the way he did.
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