Does Supremem Kai Suck?

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Does Supremem Kai Suck?
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 25 2012, 04:26 AM (7,170 Views)
+ Pyrus	Oct 25 2012, 09:09 PM Post #31
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	DBZAOTA482 Oct 25 2012, 09:01 PM Kamikaze Pyro Oct 25 2012, 08:45 PM DBZAOTA482 Oct 25 2012, 02:41 PM Clearin Oct 25 2012, 01:09 PM Why didn't Kaioshin just read Spopovich's mind to find out where Babidi was? Ah, the Majin Boo Saga: The pre-onset of GT Logic. You mean Z Logic, the precursor to GT Logic. There really isn't a whole lot of difference between the two... Except in GT, you can find a plot inconsistency in virtually every episode. I don't think so. But if you have some inconsistencies in mind, there's a thread for that.
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DBZAOTA482	Oct 25 2012, 09:39 PM Post #32
Posts: 1,798 Group: Member Member #5,093 Joined: August 2, 2010 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z, One Piece, Akira, School Rumble, Detective Conan. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome, Internet Explorer.	Kamikaze Pyro Oct 25 2012, 09:09 PM DBZAOTA482 Oct 25 2012, 09:01 PM Kamikaze Pyro Oct 25 2012, 08:45 PM DBZAOTA482 Oct 25 2012, 02:41 PM Clearin Oct 25 2012, 01:09 PM Why didn't Kaioshin just read Spopovich's mind to find out where Babidi was? Ah, the Majin Boo Saga: The pre-onset of GT Logic. You mean Z Logic, the precursor to GT Logic. There really isn't a whole lot of difference between the two... Except in GT, you can find a plot inconsistency in virtually every episode. I don't think so. But if you have some inconsistencies in mind, there's a thread for that. I made a contribute to the thread just recently.



beastboybrown	Oct 25 2012, 10:40 PM Post #33
RPG Fan Posts: 48 Group: Member Member #8,215 Joined: August 31, 2012 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga DBZ	POOHEAD189 Oct 25 2012, 02:56 PM Quote: He had to find the whereabouts of the ship, but nowhere in there did he have to actually let them use the container. This is a guy with instantaneous movement. He had enough magic to blow up the ki bomb Gohan was on. All he had to do was find the ship and then concentrate on the energy drainer and shatter it so Buu couldn't have any energy to revive him. From there on they could have killed Dabura, Pui Pui, and Nanadi on the outside where Babadi couldn't feed them any energy and the Saiyans wouldn't have even treated it like a mini take your turn gauntlet in a brawl, neither would Piccolo or Krillin, so they would have slaughtered the, all mostly on the outside be uses Dabura, Buu would be sealed up and even if the battle woke him up he wouldn't have his energy. The only reason they didn't stop Babadi then and there was because of Sin and Gohan. Gohan kills Dabura and fits like he could when he was a kid, and they have Babadi ants down with no guard. Likewise if they just let Vegeta blow the damn ship up like he suggested, Buu gets released at half power at best which is easy enough for all three Saiyans to kill him at as a group. Supreme Kai had no damn plan. His only thing close to a plan was be a coward a gang up on every villain one by one. If he had a plan, he would have watched earth intently as well as Goku in other world to know their powers. He would know of a second level of ssj. He would know who Babadi has employed, their strengths and weaknesses, and he would have outlined them for the z fighters ranging from Daburas Spit to Buus absorption and candy beam. He failed to warn them if anything until the as hit had already happened to them thus the name KINDERGARTEN KAI! Old Kai was locked away in a sword for ages and he knew more about the Saiyans and rain balls than Shin, hell shin didn't even know what a dragon ball was. The Z sword training wasn't meant for Gohan, he hpdidnt even think of it to he watched Goku and Vegeta own guys that made him wet himself effortlessly and run down Gohan soft and lazy tittle and skill set despite fighting Dabura better than Shin and Kibito as a tandem ever could. If the Z sword training was meant for Gohan or the Saiyans he would have took those three to the planet then and pull out the sword, and yes Vegeta would have been the better choice. He's far more used to weight training, he's likely been weapon trained as a member of the PTO, his power was stronger than Gohans as was his natural drive, so if Gohan could come close to fat Buu after being weaker than his kid self even pre Majin Vegtea could near Gokus ssj3 level with the same amount of time with the sword, and you wouldn't need old Kai. And he can't be cool when he's afraid of small fry. When he is afraid to fight. When he knows less about the happenings of earth and the enemy/allies than King Kai would now. He can't be cool certainly in the anime, when he was so afraid of Goku let me say that again Mr the first person i ever killed in Z was Yakon, Goku, killing him that he gave up like a coward when a blast was barely performed. Yet guys like Krillin stare Super Buu down face to face and try him despite knowing death is there or Piccolo blows up a door knowing he may never return to his dimension again. Shin. Was just bad Dude, if Kai could have blown up the ship or the energy container or any of that, he would have. Obviously he could only blow up certain energies that were right in front of him for himself to concentrate on. Your only point that I agree with at all is that he failed to warn them of Majin' buu's powers, though he was obviously certain there'd be no Majin Buu. Z Sword Training was meant for the one who pulled it out and the one he chose, because PROPHECY. Which is why it was Gohan, to become Mystic. And he did have a plan, a plan much better than any of any Z Fighter or Saiyan ever... To fricken gang up on an opponent. They had defeated 3/4th's of Babadi's ship. All they had to do was kill Dabura and Babadi would be defeated, but no, Vegeta went Majin. Supreme Kai's plan was ABOUT to work, but bam, Vegeta had to be the failure he usually was. You can't deny this. Him being cool is a matter of opinion, though he tried to save the earth, and fought passionately with compassion. Makes him cool in my book. Quote: Why didn't Kaioshin just read Spopovich's mind to find out where Babidi was? Obviously because Babadi would have prepared his followers to block such intrusions. Damn I know how to start a good topic So parts I agree but in most I dont King Kai seemed as dumb as possible never mentioned that she couldnt read the persons mind. Again he never really let anyone know anything. Though Yes Supreme Kais plan would have worked if not for Vegeta turning and Gohan failing. Though in the same breath of air I will also say it is a lot of Gokus fault to because he could transform and not get on topic. Though again there perception Buu was based on how strong he said Dabura was. Dabura wasnt to strong himself and Supreme Kai was about the level of Frieza himself which was pretty pathetic. Or actually he might have been as strong as Krillian. Again he was the biggest fail that the show has ever had. Even he right hand man was better because alone he had some sort of brain other then King Kai. Again the whole thing wouldn't have ever happened if King Kai didn't ever come to earth. If he would have let this one go and let King Kai do his over dramatic job then life would have been perfect. Quote: Supreme Kai is a cool character, but he could have been COOLER. They really downgraded him to push the saiyans forward. He should have been super epic because of his position. Here is some mysterious guy no one knows about, yet he is overwhelmed by Gohan's power. :Quote He couldnt have been cooler we already have a character named that :P



Kblo247	Oct 25 2012, 11:49 PM Post #34
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Shins plan was for them to NOT go on the ship. They were on the ship and defeated the fighters one by one thanks to Dabura leading them in and the Saiyans choosing to go on to avenge Krillin and Piccolo, while Shin was too scared to chase after them despite Kibito being murdered before him like a fly. Shin didn't even have the plan to attack. If that was his plan, he would have just had the Saiyans, Super Namek, and Strongest Human there was just all attack at once outside the ship to kill Pui Pui, Babadi, and Dabura. Lets not act like his grand plan was to fight their way through the ship, it wasn't All he planned was letting them steal Gohans energy and following them back to find the ship. He didn't have any bright ideas to stop them from using said energy once they reached the ship. He didn't have any bright ideas as to tell the Z team the fighters and powers they would face. He didn't have any idea to take any of the Saiyans, Piccolo, or Krillin to the Z sword, he knew of no prophecy fully as he and all the Kai's tried to pull the sword and he never intended to take Gohan there to he saw him, the weakest of the 3 blast the egg. He never even knew there was another ssj level let alone a third and as the overseer of the universe he should be able to look at other world and felt Goku ascend to the next two levels at least. He knew nothing about fusion, either method, that was Goku and Old Kai. He didn't even think to save Vegetas body or grant Goku a life. And the not knowing of the dragon balls is just stupidity as King Kai knows about Namek for gods sake. And the two things that made him terrible were 1 - Fear of every evil and of Goku (who had killed no one in Z before Yakon). It wasn't like he was staring down Vegeta, to was Goku who made his piss himself, soft hearted Z Goku who had only one kill before Kid Buu. He'll it made more sense to fear Gohan, Piccolo, or Krillin than Goku. 2 - Old Kai came out that sword and even after being sealed away forever almost he instantly knew about the dragon balls, fusion, super Saiyans, the fact Vegetas body was saved by Yemma (shin asked how he even had a body) and that Vegeta was one of the three greatest warriors in the universe, how to boost Gphans power, how to make a ball to watch Gotenks fight, and how to grant Goku a life. He even knew in the anime that it was Krillim and Yamcha who attracted Buu to other world because they too were that strong for Kid Buu to sense, meaning he knew of King Kai's, Yemmas, and Gand Kai's plan B Edited by Kblo247, Oct 25 2012, 11:57 PM.



POOHEAD189	Oct 26 2012, 01:39 AM Post #35
Posts: 3,186 Group: Member Member #4,559 Joined: October 30, 2009 Favourite Anime Dragonball/Z Favourite Manga Dragonball	Supreme Kai was hesitant on entering the ship, yes. But what else were they going to do? He was clearly planning on Assaulting the ship, and even if he wasn't, and they took a more covert approach, he would have had the ship's location within his knowledge and would have discovered the saiyans had the power to curb stomp Dabura, then they would have attacked anway. As for the Z-Sword, Vegeta betrayed his friends and blew up a stadium full of people. Even if he died for them (which I don';t think SK knew) I would not let THAT guy weild a legendary weapon. And even if Vegeta did? With the training, he wouldn't have come close to SSJ3 Goku, and even if he went Mystic Vegeta, he'd be barely above SSJ3 Goku, where Gohan was leagues ahead. Gohan was honest, trust worthy, and he had incredible innate power. He was the right choice. If your argument is based on the fact that he was misinformed once or twice, forgive me, but the universe is a big place to look out for. He can't be everywhere at once or know everything, even though he knew quite a bit. I'm sure if the Saiyans had been around longer and there was still some more time until Majin Buu's shell was to be opened, he would have found out more. I pretty much agree with Pookie here. I think Supreme wasn't as cool as he should/could have been. But I am absolutely not saying that "He's retarded lol." Also, I love that scene when Majon Vegeta challenges Goku and then the whole Goku supreme Kai face off too
	Tha gaol agam ort. <3


Kblo247	Oct 26 2012, 01:59 AM Post #36
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	Shin knew Vegeta died for them, he wondered how he had a body. And old Kai said Yemma made a smart choice, a choice Shin should've made as a backup



beastboybrown	Oct 26 2012, 05:00 AM Post #37
RPG Fan Posts: 48 Group: Member Member #8,215 Joined: August 31, 2012 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga DBZ	POOHEAD189 Oct 26 2012, 01:39 AM Mystic Vegeta This will haunt my ever night for the next week or so.... thanks.... Still even though Supreme Kai isnt that retarded can we say that he was basically worse then useless Mr. Poo XD (Cant get over that name). I mean if he would have just stayed home and watched TV the whole situation wouldn't have happened. Even though he wasn't exactly the only one to blame he was just the biggest part to blame. (Watches more of Gozars ARDBZ) Edited by beastboybrown, Oct 26 2012, 05:00 AM.



Pookie	Oct 26 2012, 02:42 PM Post #38
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	I truly believe that Supreme Kai was hindered in his coolness because of the concentration Toriyama placed on the saiyans. He should have been a cool character. I even question myself if Supreme Kai was in some ways similar to Tapion. They had the same hairstyle and looked similar so I had to bring that observation into this topic. Supreme Kai Tapion Supreme Kai, like many characters on the show, had a potential to be great. They had to make him stupid in some ways or else he'd likely overshadow Goku/Vegeta/Gohan, etc. who were the ones who attracted a majority of fans to the show. In some ways, you can tell the series was rushed. He was almost unwilling to continue the series after Cell games for a reason. I don't think Supreme Kai sucked, but I do believe he was compromised. Edited by Pookie, Oct 26 2012, 02:44 PM.



+ Clearin	Oct 26 2012, 02:47 PM Post #39
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	He's a lot like future Trunks without the power to be useful.



Pookie	Oct 26 2012, 04:04 PM Post #40
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Clearin Oct 26 2012, 02:47 PM He's a lot like future Trunks without the power to be useful. Except Future Trunks became more useful when he entered the HBTC and got stronger. He finished off Frieza too. It was Vegeta who screwed everything up and allowed Cell to become perfect.



+ Clearin	Oct 26 2012, 04:07 PM Post #41
Posts: 12,580 Group: Elite Member Member #6,372 Joined: June 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country United Kingdom	Anonymous23 Oct 26 2012, 04:04 PM Clearin Oct 26 2012, 02:47 PM He's a lot like future Trunks without the power to be useful. Except Future Trunks became more useful when he entered the HBTC and got stronger. He finished off Frieza too. It was Vegeta who screwed everything up and allowed Cell to become perfect. Which is why I said "Without the power to be useful" If Future Trunks had say Yamcha's power then there wouldn't be much of a difference between him and Kaioshin. Except Kaioshin actually saved Gohan with his magic and later fused with Kibito and saved Goku and Vegeta.



beastboybrown	Oct 27 2012, 03:03 AM Post #42
RPG Fan Posts: 48 Group: Member Member #8,215 Joined: August 31, 2012 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Opera Favourite Manga DBZ	Anonymous23 Oct 26 2012, 04:04 PM Clearin Oct 26 2012, 02:47 PM He's a lot like future Trunks without the power to be useful. Except Future Trunks became more useful when he entered the HBTC and got stronger. He finished off Frieza too. It was Vegeta who screwed everything up and allowed Cell to become perfect. Cant only blame Vegeta for this.... Looks at the part where Krillain got a boner from a toaster Yeah..... there is someone else here to blame as well XD Though I am trying to still guess who is more useless Yamcha or Sumpreme Kai. Anyone else more useless? I am trying to think of anyone more useless then them. Edited by beastboybrown, Oct 27 2012, 03:03 AM.



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