The Multiplier for SS4

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The Multiplier for SS4; I think I made have found it, obvious as it is.
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FollowtheLeader	Oct 24 2012, 02:28 AM Post #1
Posts: 1,653 Group: Member Member #7,064 Joined: December 12, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Manga Berserk	Okay, as we all know, the Great Ape from is x10 base form, right? And we all know that the initial SS multiplyer is x50, later on becoming x5, as the base then becomes ten times stronger. So, for what comes next, it doesn't matter if you use either. Lets say you have a saiyan with a power level of 4. Then BOOM! He goes Super Saiyan! His power level is now 200! Then, BOOM! SS2 hits him! Power level is now 400!!! Then BOOM....AGAIN! SS3 is blessed upon this nameless saiyan. His power level jumps to 1,600!!!!!! Now, as SS4 is different in many ways from the previous SS forms, especially in how it is obtained and how it looks, it will have a different multiplier as well, not connected to SS3. Great Ape = x10 SS (initial) = x50 50 x 10 = 500 4 x 500 = 2,000 SS1 is 50, then 5 times base SS2 is 100 times base SS3 is 400 times base So SS4 would be 500 times base. This sound okay to you guys? * This does not mean I hate GT any less, it's just something I admittedly thought of right now. And if this thread seems useless. Sorry.



+ Pyrus	Oct 24 2012, 03:31 AM Post #2
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I don't agree. I go with what Toei themselves say about it being a potential unlocker, hence the multiplier is not static. If the multiplier was static, it wouldn't explain how in some fights, Base Goku doesn't do that much worse than his SSjin4 form later on. It's a good theory, though.
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Oct 24 2012, 04:34 AM Post #3
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	If SSJ4 is a potential unlocker, then that means Gohan would still be stronger because of having more potential brought out past limits right? Gohan potential>Goku potential..



~~no name~~	Oct 24 2012, 07:53 AM Post #4
Posts: 1,343 Group: GTFO Member #7,314 Joined: February 12, 2012	FollowtheLeader Oct 24 2012, 02:28 AM Okay, as we all know, the Great Ape from is x10 base form, right? And we all know that the initial SS multiplyer is x50, later on becoming x5, as the base then becomes ten times stronger. So, for what comes next, it doesn't matter if you use either. Lets say you have a saiyan with a power level of 4. Then BOOM! He goes Super Saiyan! His power level is now 200! Then, BOOM! SS2 hits him! Power level is now 400!!! Then BOOM....AGAIN! SS3 is blessed upon this nameless saiyan. His power level jumps to 1,600!!!!!! Now, as SS4 is different in many ways from the previous SS forms, especially in how it is obtained and how it looks, it will have a different multiplier as well, not connected to SS3. Great Ape = x10 SS (initial) = x50 50 x 10 = 500 4 x 500 = 2,000 SS1 is 50, then 5 times base SS2 is 100 times base SS3 is 400 times base So SS4 would be 500 times base. This sound okay to you guys? * This does not mean I hate GT any less, it's just something I admittedly thought of right now. And if this thread seems useless. Sorry. So,you say that SSJ4 is SSJ3 x 1,25.Wrong. -Baby Vegeta was superior to SSJ3 Goku -Golden Oozaru is SSJ3 x 10 -SSJ4 Goku was even with Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta Therefore,SSJ4 multiplier has to be greater than SSJ3 x 10 Edited by no name, Oct 24 2012, 07:53 AM.



90sDBZ	Oct 24 2012, 12:49 PM Post #5
Posts: 1,356 Group: Member Member #7,850 Joined: June 27, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball Favourite Manga Dragonball	The SS4 multiplier is messed up though. At first it makes a major difference like against baby. Then against Super 17 it also makes a pretty big difference. But then when Goku reverts to base he's able to kill Super 17 in base after failing to in SS4. So this would support the theory that the form is a potential unlocker. However later against the shadow dragons going SS4 makes the world of difference again. So basically it goes like this: At first SS4>>>>>>Base Against Super 17 Base>>>>>SS4>SS1 Against Omega Shenron SS4>>>>>Base again What makes it even crazier is that Super 17 was much more powerful than earlier when Base Goku killed him from absorbing so much energy.
	"The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!"


FollowtheLeader	Oct 24 2012, 04:14 PM Post #6
Posts: 1,653 Group: Member Member #7,064 Joined: December 12, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Manga Berserk	no name Oct 24 2012, 07:53 AM FollowtheLeader Oct 24 2012, 02:28 AM Okay, as we all know, the Great Ape from is x10 base form, right? And we all know that the initial SS multiplyer is x50, later on becoming x5, as the base then becomes ten times stronger. So, for what comes next, it doesn't matter if you use either. Lets say you have a saiyan with a power level of 4. Then BOOM! He goes Super Saiyan! His power level is now 200! Then, BOOM! SS2 hits him! Power level is now 400!!! Then BOOM....AGAIN! SS3 is blessed upon this nameless saiyan. His power level jumps to 1,600!!!!!! Now, as SS4 is different in many ways from the previous SS forms, especially in how it is obtained and how it looks, it will have a different multiplier as well, not connected to SS3. Great Ape = x10 SS (initial) = x50 50 x 10 = 500 4 x 500 = 2,000 SS1 is 50, then 5 times base SS2 is 100 times base SS3 is 400 times base So SS4 would be 500 times base. This sound okay to you guys? * This does not mean I hate GT any less, it's just something I admittedly thought of right now. And if this thread seems useless. Sorry. So,you say that SSJ4 is SSJ3 x 1,25.Wrong. -Baby Vegeta was superior to SSJ3 Goku -Golden Oozaru is SSJ3 x 10 -SSJ4 Goku was even with Golden Oozaru Baby Vegeta Therefore,SSJ4 multiplier has to be greater than SSJ3 x 10 Because Baby was more powerful than SS3 Kid Goku maybe? Golden Giant ape is 500 times base Because they were basically the same type of super saiyan. Whatever helps you sleep at night.



+ Pyrus	Oct 24 2012, 07:01 PM Post #7
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Professor Gohan Oct 24 2012, 04:34 AM If SSJ4 is a potential unlocker, then that means Gohan would still be stronger because of having more potential brought out past limits right? Gohan potential>Goku potential.. Gohan does have more potential. He was counted on by Vegeta to overthrow Super Yi Xing Long (Omega) if Goku and Vegeta were killed, which looked likely at the time, and he didn't even have Super Saiyan 4. 90sDBZ Oct 24 2012, 12:49 PM The SS4 multiplier is messed up though. At first it makes a major difference like against baby. Then against Super 17 it also makes a pretty big difference. But then when Goku reverts to base he's able to kill Super 17 in base after failing to in SS4. So this would support the theory that the form is a potential unlocker. However later against the shadow dragons going SS4 makes the world of difference again. So basically it goes like this: At first SS4>>>>>>Base Against Super 17 Base>>>>>SS4>SS1 Against Omega Shenron SS4>>>>>Base again What makes it even crazier is that Super 17 was much more powerful than earlier when Base Goku killed him from absorbing so much energy. Exactly why it being a static multiplier makes no damn sense to me.
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* Crashbreaka	Oct 24 2012, 07:03 PM Post #8
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	Where the hell do you guys get all these numbers from? Is there a guidebook or something that says this kind of stuff?



+ Pyrus	Oct 24 2012, 07:17 PM Post #9
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	GT Perfect Files. Check it out on Kanzenshuu.
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Oct 24 2012, 07:32 PM Post #10
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Kamikaze Pyro Oct 24 2012, 07:01 PM Professor Gohan Oct 24 2012, 04:34 AM If SSJ4 is a potential unlocker, then that means Gohan would still be stronger because of having more potential brought out past limits right? Gohan potential>Goku potential.. Gohan does have more potential. He was counted on by Vegeta to overthrow Super Yi Xing Long (Omega) if Goku and Vegeta were killed, which looked likely at the time, and he didn't even have Super Saiyan 4. 90sDBZ Oct 24 2012, 12:49 PM The SS4 multiplier is messed up though. At first it makes a major difference like against baby. Then against Super 17 it also makes a pretty big difference. But then when Goku reverts to base he's able to kill Super 17 in base after failing to in SS4. So this would support the theory that the form is a potential unlocker. However later against the shadow dragons going SS4 makes the world of difference again. So basically it goes like this: At first SS4>>>>>>Base Against Super 17 Base>>>>>SS4>SS1 Against Omega Shenron SS4>>>>>Base again What makes it even crazier is that Super 17 was much more powerful than earlier when Base Goku killed him from absorbing so much energy. Exactly why it being a static multiplier makes no damn sense to me. Vegeta counted on Gohan to go and defeat Omega Shenron, or go, and be the last defense until it's all over? Yeah he has more potential, and should be stronger, but he didn't look like the one who could go, and pull a quick victory at the very end like Goku did.



+ Pyrus	Oct 24 2012, 07:37 PM Post #11
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Professor Gohan Oct 24 2012, 07:32 PM Kamikaze Pyro Oct 24 2012, 07:01 PM Professor Gohan Oct 24 2012, 04:34 AM If SSJ4 is a potential unlocker, then that means Gohan would still be stronger because of having more potential brought out past limits right? Gohan potential>Goku potential.. Gohan does have more potential. He was counted on by Vegeta to overthrow Super Yi Xing Long (Omega) if Goku and Vegeta were killed, which looked likely at the time, and he didn't even have Super Saiyan 4. 90sDBZ Oct 24 2012, 12:49 PM The SS4 multiplier is messed up though. At first it makes a major difference like against baby. Then against Super 17 it also makes a pretty big difference. But then when Goku reverts to base he's able to kill Super 17 in base after failing to in SS4. So this would support the theory that the form is a potential unlocker. However later against the shadow dragons going SS4 makes the world of difference again. So basically it goes like this: At first SS4>>>>>>Base Against Super 17 Base>>>>>SS4>SS1 Against Omega Shenron SS4>>>>>Base again What makes it even crazier is that Super 17 was much more powerful than earlier when Base Goku killed him from absorbing so much energy. Exactly why it being a static multiplier makes no damn sense to me. Vegeta counted on Gohan to go and defeat Omega Shenron, or go, and be the last defense until it's all over? Yeah he has more potential, and should be stronger, but he didn't look like the one who could go, and pull a quick victory at the very end like Goku did. Yeah, Vegeta told him to avenge Goku's death and someday defeat Yi. I took that to mean Gohan's potential > Goku's, even without SSjin4.
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Oct 24 2012, 07:39 PM Post #12
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Kamikaze Pyro Oct 24 2012, 07:37 PM Professor Gohan Oct 24 2012, 07:32 PM Kamikaze Pyro Oct 24 2012, 07:01 PM Professor Gohan Oct 24 2012, 04:34 AM If SSJ4 is a potential unlocker, then that means Gohan would still be stronger because of having more potential brought out past limits right? Gohan potential>Goku potential.. Gohan does have more potential. He was counted on by Vegeta to overthrow Super Yi Xing Long (Omega) if Goku and Vegeta were killed, which looked likely at the time, and he didn't even have Super Saiyan 4. 90sDBZ Oct 24 2012, 12:49 PM The SS4 multiplier is messed up though. At first it makes a major difference like against baby. Then against Super 17 it also makes a pretty big difference. But then when Goku reverts to base he's able to kill Super 17 in base after failing to in SS4. So this would support the theory that the form is a potential unlocker. However later against the shadow dragons going SS4 makes the world of difference again. So basically it goes like this: At first SS4>>>>>>Base Against Super 17 Base>>>>>SS4>SS1 Against Omega Shenron SS4>>>>>Base again What makes it even crazier is that Super 17 was much more powerful than earlier when Base Goku killed him from absorbing so much energy. Exactly why it being a static multiplier makes no damn sense to me. Vegeta counted on Gohan to go and defeat Omega Shenron, or go, and be the last defense until it's all over? Yeah he has more potential, and should be stronger, but he didn't look like the one who could go, and pull a quick victory at the very end like Goku did. Yeah, Vegeta told him to avenge Goku's death and someday defeat Yi. I took that to mean Gohan's potential > Goku's, even without SSjin4. Hmm... So how do you think Gohan would of did then?



~~no name~~	Oct 24 2012, 07:43 PM Post #13
Posts: 1,343 Group: GTFO Member #7,314 Joined: February 12, 2012	The only inconsistency is Base Goku beating Super 17.He used Dragon Fist,but it still doesn't make much sense.Some GT's stuff just can't be fully explained by logic,so it's better to be ignored.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Oct 24 2012, 07:47 PM Post #14
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Unless we go over to Cleaning up GT inconsistencies , and clean ***** up.



+ Kyouks	Oct 24 2012, 09:48 PM Post #15
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	There is no SSJ4 multiplier. All we know is this: 3x > SSJ multiplier > 2x. Let's keep it simple and use 2.5x - the generally agreed upon multiplier. Golden Oozaru, logically, = 25x. SSJ4 (Goku, at least) >> Golden Oozaru. In the Bebi Saga, it was >/>> 25x. After that, who knows?



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