Initial Android 19 and 20 powers

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Initial Android 19 and 20 powers
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+ supersaqer	Oct 26 2012, 04:01 PM Post #16
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Kyouka Suigetsu Oct 26 2012, 02:07 PM ^Opinions change. It was only 3 months ago, and I know that opinions changes. But why he's that weak? I kinda agree with KP's old opinion.
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+ Pyrus	Oct 26 2012, 06:44 PM Post #17
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	After absorbing the Kamehameha and Goku's chi, Vegeta said #19 wasn't as bad as Trunks said, so he can't be a complete terror compared to Trunks from his Mecha Freeza fight. He can be decently ahead, though. You're left with the options of having #19 (pre) around Mecha Freeza or a bit stronger/weaker, or giving him pretty much no gain from all the energy he absorbed.
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+ Kyouks	Oct 26 2012, 09:39 PM Post #18
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	supersaqer Oct 26 2012, 04:01 PM Kyouka Suigetsu Oct 26 2012, 02:07 PM ^Opinions change. It was only 3 months ago, and I know that opinions changes. But why he's that weak? I kinda agree with KP's old opinion. KP's been flip-flopping a lot lately, at least from what I've seen. #19 post-absorptions (post-Kamehameha, specifically) is described as being "not as bad as the rumors claim". The "rumors" were that the androids could godstomp Future Trunks (@ Freeza). The fact that he "isn't as bad" means that he's moderately above Trunks, but it ain't no stomping gap at all. #19 after absorbing the last of Goku's power punches Vegeta who says something like, "I figured you were at that level". Meaning that post-KHH/Goku, he was still moderately ahead of Trunks. So, if #19 post (or at least before getting Vegeta's power) is only moderately above Trunks after his absorptions, putting him in the Namek Goku - Mecha Freeza tier, maybe a bit higher seems reasonable IMO (pre-absorptions, of course). Otherwise, like KP said, you might as well give him no gain from the energy attacks.



+ miguelnuva	Oct 27 2012, 03:20 AM Post #19
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Are you guys going on SSJ Vegeta's word. I guess AT's word is good sense he's righting the manga but Vegeta during the Android saga was the worse person you could listen to (besides Future Trunks) as he thought Himself> any and everything else by a lot. Android SSJ Vegeta basically thought he was GT Goku.
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+ Pyrus	Oct 27 2012, 03:28 AM Post #20
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	miguelnuva Oct 27 2012, 03:20 AM Are you guys going on SSJ Vegeta's word. I guess AT's word is good sense he's righting the manga but Vegeta during the Android saga was the worse person you could listen to (besides Future Trunks) as he thought Himself> any and everything else by a lot. Android SSJ Vegeta basically thought he was GT Goku. Give me a situation in the android saga where he said something stupid an wasn't proven wrong later on.
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+ miguelnuva	Oct 27 2012, 03:59 AM Post #21
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Kamikaze Pyro Oct 27 2012, 03:28 AM miguelnuva Oct 27 2012, 03:20 AM Are you guys going on SSJ Vegeta's word. I guess AT's word is good sense he's righting the manga but Vegeta during the Android saga was the worse person you could listen to (besides Future Trunks) as he thought Himself> any and everything else by a lot. Android SSJ Vegeta basically thought he was GT Goku. Give me a situation in the android saga where he said something stupid an wasn't proven wrong later on. I meant Vegeta's statements on those weaker than he is. Like when he tells Goku he looked better when he fought Nappa, and when he taunts Dodoria, Zarbon ect. What gap do you guys have for 0ne shots because Vegeta basically one shoted 19 and I use the drandosk power levels ((up till the Fusion saga.)
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+ Pyrus	Oct 27 2012, 04:03 AM Post #22
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	miguelnuva Oct 27 2012, 03:59 AM Kamikaze Pyro Oct 27 2012, 03:28 AM miguelnuva Oct 27 2012, 03:20 AM Are you guys going on SSJ Vegeta's word. I guess AT's word is good sense he's righting the manga but Vegeta during the Android saga was the worse person you could listen to (besides Future Trunks) as he thought Himself> any and everything else by a lot. Android SSJ Vegeta basically thought he was GT Goku. Give me a situation in the android saga where he said something stupid an wasn't proven wrong later on. I meant Vegeta's statements on those weaker than he is. Like when he tells Goku he looked better when he fought Nappa, and when he taunts Dodoria, Zarbon ect. What gap do you guys have for 0ne shots because Vegeta basically one shoted 19 and I use the drandosk power levels ((up till the Fusion saga.) I don't know. 30% at least. Vegeta used a special attack too. It's not like he punch #19 to death. What does Vegeta had to do with this? I was talking about #20.
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+ Kyouks	Oct 27 2012, 05:49 AM Post #23
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	"Character A is the worst person you could listen to....." I seriously don't get this logic.



+ miguelnuva	Oct 27 2012, 09:12 AM Post #24
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Kyouka Suigetsu Oct 27 2012, 05:49 AM "Character A is the worst person you could listen to....." I seriously don't get this logic. Vegeta almost always says he's the strongest yet he gets beat in most of his fights so take what he says with a grain of salt pre Buu saga after he calms down some. Trunks I don't listen to other than the androids because he makes several power miscalculations. But like I said before I've never read the Manga so it could just be like this in the Manga.
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+ Pyrus	Oct 27 2012, 01:18 PM Post #25
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	miguelnuva Oct 27 2012, 09:12 AM Kyouka Suigetsu Oct 27 2012, 05:49 AM "Character A is the worst person you could listen to....." I seriously don't get this logic. Vegeta almost always says he's the strongest yet he gets beat in most of his fights so take what he says with a grain of salt pre Buu saga after he calms down some. Trunks I don't listen to other than the androids because he makes several power miscalculations. But like I said before I've never read the Manga so it could just be like this in the Manga. Unless what they say is proven wrong, then they're right. If Vegeta says he's got no buttcrack, it's true until we're shown otherwise. Same with Trunks.
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+ Kyouks	Oct 27 2012, 04:54 PM Post #26
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Yeh, exactly, otherwise I can just assume that Goku lied about Gotenks beating Boo because he lied about losing to Fat Boo (and he technically didn't even lie in this case). Or, I could also assume Kaioshin was wrong about being capable of killing Freeza, just because he was wrong about the Saiyans' power. But see, we're shown later on that Goku can indeed beat Fat Boo. We're shown later on that Kaioshin was wrong about the Saiyans. So that's why we can disregard whatever statements said otherwise prior. But that doesn't mean that we can also disregard he un-contradicted statements from those same characters as well.



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