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| Kaioken x1.2 Vegeta (Trunks Saga) vs Base Trunks (Trunks Saga) | |
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| Team Four Star | Oct 16 2012, 09:29 PM Post #1 |
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Power-wise, who wins? |
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| SSJ | Oct 16 2012, 10:15 PM Post #2 |
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I think Vegeta has the advantage. |
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| + miguelnuva | Oct 16 2012, 11:03 PM Post #3 |
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Vegeta was closing in on Trunks without the Kaio-Ken with it Vegeta takes this. |
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| Kblo247 | Oct 17 2012, 04:30 AM Post #4 |
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Vegeta would beat Goku or Trunks in the Trunks saga as long as they don't transform or use kaioken. He doesn't even need kaioken himself to surpass them base to base. There is a reason it was asked was it him or Piccolo that killed the androids by Goku despite him thinking he was the lone ssj in the universe. Likewise there is a reason Vegeta leapfrog a the hell out of both of the, without even having the form as long, he was stronger as a base Saiyan, just needed to find a way to pull the damn trigger. |
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| + miguelnuva | Oct 17 2012, 05:56 AM Post #5 |
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No he wasn't Base Trunks was ahead of Vegeta at this point by a little bit and Goku was head of Trunks. Piccolo<Vegeta<Base Trunks<Base Goku. And in the Android saga Goku and Vegeta had small gap it was Trunks who both Vegeta and Goku had a gap over. |
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| Kblo247 | Oct 17 2012, 07:11 AM Post #6 |
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Says what? Base Goku was stronger than Trunks. Goku asks who killed supressed Frieza, Vegeta or Piccolo. He never thought of a second super siayan, and he knows they don't know kaioken. Vegetas base being superior to Gokus base held true a lot to the Cell arc. - He was stronger when they met thus kaioken x3 and x4 - Him post senzu is stonger than Goku versus the Ginyus even with kaioken x2 - He was implied to be stronger than Goku on Namek, and Goku hadn't spent a lot of trainign time on Yardrat while learning IT, and we know both future Gohan and Trunks arent Gokus equal at all - Vegeta was stronger at the androids despite Trunks and Goku having their ssj forms years before him and it having a set multiplier Vegeta was the stronger of the two and would kick Goku's kaiokenless behind most of the way to ROSAT and the fights wouldnt even be close because Goku was so much weaker (over 2x) than him base to base in their inital fight, base to base after Vegeta ate that bean on Namek (3-5x), and at the androids both Gohan and Piccolo note he is once again. It isnt hard to believe he is superior to Goku who spent a year learning a technique and how to transform at will, not at all especially when the same Goku is pretty certain Piccolo or Vegeta killed the father and son before they powered up, when Mecha was stronger than the Frieza base Goku spammed kaioken against most their fight. It wasnt until Cell that Goku got strong as a base saiyan without kaioken as a crutch to lap him over Vegeta Edited by Kblo247, Oct 17 2012, 07:13 AM.
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| + miguelnuva | Oct 17 2012, 08:37 AM Post #7 |
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1. Your are correct. 2. Vegeta had just gotten another Zenkai at that point. 3. Goku after his Zenkai was stronger then Vegeta anytime on Namek. 4. Gohan is stronger than Namek SSJ Goku and Future SSJ Vegeta. Trunks is stronger than both as well but not as strong as Gohan. Vegeta in the future is equal to his Trunks saga self just with SSJ. 5. Vegeta was stronger than Goku but it is also questionable, there was never a 100% yes he was stronger so any Gap between Vegeta and Goku wasn't that huge. 6. When Goku asks who killed Frieza he was surprised because he felt a SSJ power, not because of where their base powers were at that point. Mecha Frieza is only a little bit stronger than Frieza before he went 50% where Goku didn't use Kaio-ken. |
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| Kblo247 | Oct 18 2012, 02:13 AM Post #8 |
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Goku didn't feel a ssj power. H was shocked to hear there was another ssj besides himself. Goku used kaioken x 20 versus 50% Frieza. He used x 10 before that. Furture Gohans goal was to be as strong as Goku and he never reached it. |
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| + miguelnuva | Oct 18 2012, 06:12 AM Post #9 |
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1. He felt a high power that was SSJ Trunks's power. SSJ Trunks is far ahead of Piccolo and Vegeta. 2. Goku didn't use kaio-ken x10 intill Frieza goes 50%. 3. Future Gohan wanted to be as strong as Yardrat SSJ Goku he went beyond Namek SSJ Goku. Namek SSJ Goku<Trunks saga SSJ Trunks< SSJ Future Gohan< SSJ Trunks saga Goku. |
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| + Kyouks | Oct 18 2012, 06:15 AM Post #10 |
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Why do you have Future Gohan > Future Trunks? |
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| + miguelnuva | Oct 18 2012, 06:19 AM Post #11 |
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Really just the Anime Gohan did better than Trunks did against the Androids and Drandosk and Vegito1089 on Youtube have him higher than Trunks and I agree with most of what they say. I personally have it Future SSJ Vegeta<Namek SSJ Goku<SSJ Future Trunks<SSJ Future Gohan<SSJ Future Goku. Edited by miguelnuva, Oct 18 2012, 06:20 AM.
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| + Pyrus | Oct 18 2012, 06:30 AM Post #12 |
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Trunks was stated to be stronger than Gohan twice, and I wouldn't put Future Vegeta much different than Present Vegeta. |
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| + Kyouks | Oct 18 2012, 06:33 AM Post #13 |
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Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P2.1 Context: regular Gohan was sparring with Super Saiyan Trunks. With his one arm... Future Gohan: "You've improved a lot, Trunks. You might even leave me in the dust in a few months." That's already a good basis to have Future Trunks > Future Gohan. Chapter: Trunks: the Story, P14.4, P15.1-2 Trunks: "...I think I'm strong enough to beat the Androids now. We don't have to go study them in the past!" Future Bulma: "You're too naive. It's true that you've gotten astoundingly strong, but have you forgotten how Gohan was killed 3 years ago? I don't think you're that amazingly different than Gohan back then..." I don't know if you'd want to take a statement from Bulma seriously or not, but since we already have foundation for Future Trunks > Future Gohan (1st quote) I don't see why not. Besides, Trunks himself would have to believe he's > SSJ Gohan to believe he has a chance. Also: Chapter: 355 (DBZ 161), P8.5 Context: Trunks compares No.17 and No.18 in his timeline to the ones in the present Trunks: "They weren't as outrageously strong as this...Even I could fight them fairly well..." Gohan was beaten relatively easily by #17/#18 who were below half their power. Trunks fighting them "well" should also indicate his superiority IMO. Edited by Kyouks, Oct 18 2012, 06:34 AM.
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| + miguelnuva | Oct 18 2012, 06:41 AM Post #14 |
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Trunks in the Android saga is well above Gohan but before the Mecha Frieza fight I think it can go either way. 1st quote: I don't think Gohan is serious here more like giving Trunks some positive reinforcement and encouragement. 2nd quote: Trunks is the worse person in DBZ to sense Ki backed on by Bulma not wanting her son to die and being Vegeta's son I have Trunks a tiny bit behind Gohan at this point. 3rd quote: Trunks has blown past Gohan at this point. @Kamikaze Pyro Everyone in the Future is more or less their Trunks saga counter parts and Vegeta hadn't got to the Goku Namek level yet. I have Android Saga Vegeta= to Full power Future 17. |
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