90sDBZ

Oct 15 2012, 08:29 PM

Did Kid Goku really go in or is that just a dub/anime line?

lunar2

Oct 15 2012, 03:05 PM

[@recovery. congratulations, you proved that saiyans recover faster than aliens. there is still no comparison between the recovery rate of saiyans and that of humans.

@dormant ability. yeah, because gohan is 5 at this point. remember when goku got his full potential released between his fights with daimao? that maybe doubled his power. gohan is a full match to krillin, despite being a small child. and i know full well that it's not an immediate full release. it's not a full release at all. you get a large (at least 7x) increase right off the bat, and next time you use your power, you gradually unlock a large chunk of power.

@daiz. so, a large dormant ability makes it easier to access that dormant ability. duh. what do you think gohan's rage boosts were? his body was trying to access its dormant ability through ssj, but he wasn't powerful enough to transform. in a normal saiyan, with their small dormant ability, there would be no measurable effect from such a process, but gohan's huge dormant ability means that he managed to pull out a chunk of power anyway.

@saiyans being built for battle. they aren't. they have a few minor traits that give them a slight advantage, but they are otherwise nearly identical to humans. they have to be, in order to interbreed.

for races built for battle, see namekians (high natural power, ability to regenerate, various useful combat abilities like changing size, extending arms, and fusion) or icers (highest natural powerlevel in the known universe, amazing durability).

Super Gohan

Oct 16 2012, 11:02 PM

If you want a direct comparison where a human is of similar level, look at the battle with Recoome. It took only one kick to defeat Krillin, yet Gohan could withstand a lot more of Recoome's attacks before being crippled for good.

Super Gohan

Oct 16 2012, 11:02 PM

lunar2

Oct 15 2012, 03:05 PM

[@recovery. congratulations, you proved that saiyans recover faster than aliens. there is still no comparison between the recovery rate of saiyans and that of humans.

@dormant ability. yeah, because gohan is 5 at this point. remember when goku got his full potential released between his fights with daimao? that maybe doubled his power. gohan is a full match to krillin, despite being a small child. and i know full well that it's not an immediate full release. it's not a full release at all. you get a large (at least 7x) increase right off the bat, and next time you use your power, you gradually unlock a large chunk of power.

@daiz. so, a large dormant ability makes it easier to access that dormant ability. duh. what do you think gohan's rage boosts were? his body was trying to access its dormant ability through ssj, but he wasn't powerful enough to transform. in a normal saiyan, with their small dormant ability, there would be no measurable effect from such a process, but gohan's huge dormant ability means that he managed to pull out a chunk of power anyway.

@saiyans being built for battle. they aren't. they have a few minor traits that give them a slight advantage, but they are otherwise nearly identical to humans. they have to be, in order to interbreed.

for races built for battle, see namekians (high natural power, ability to regenerate, various useful combat abilities like changing size, extending arms, and fusion) or icers (highest natural powerlevel in the known universe, amazing durability).

Their recovery abilities are evidently seen as exceptional to other races that haven't exhibited an advantage in that area.

If you want a direct comparison where a human is of similar level, look at the battle with Recoome. It took only one kick to defeat Krillin, yet Gohan could withstand a lot more of Recoome's attacks before being crippled for good.

It expresses how Goku and Gohan both have high dormant power, but due to Gohan possessing a tremendous amount more, he simply was able to attain the form faster. Saiyans and Saiyan hybrids hold the greatest dormant power, the more of it you have, the more it finds ways to come out in different forms. Humans do not possess dormant power anywhere near Saiyans, and that's why they lack zenkais and transformations, and become fodder later in the story.

So their brains intrinsically make them fight, without their bodies actually being equipped for it? I don't see the logic in that.

lunar2

Oct 18 2012, 09:00 PM

]@recovery. and since humans are nearly identical to saiyans, they would also recover quickly relative to those other races.

@recoome. recoome wanted to play around. he accidentally one shot krillin, and held back against gohan.

Chapter: 277 (DBZ 83), P9.2
Context: talking about the blow that broke Kuririn’s bones
Recoom: “Chih! Crap! I put too much force into that…! I wanted to play a little more…”

@gohan. and where did gohan get all that dormant ability? from his human side.

@zenkais. zenkais have nothing to do with dormant ability. the saiyan body actually gets stronger when recovering from severe injuries. releasing dormant ability does not make the body stronger, it allows the body to use the strength it already has.

@saiyans. they are better equipped to fight than humans. they have a naturally higher base power, they can use more of their true power normally, they have a way to keep severe injuries from causing them to fall behind, and they can access their dormant ability more easily.

but their basic physiology is nearly identical to that of humans, and that's what you aren't getting.

they are built of the same muscle, bone, and organs as a human, that perform the same way a human's muscle, bone and organs perform.

their brains are wired slightly differently, putting a higher cap on their base power.

using official ssj multipliers, if a saiyan and a human both had a true power of 1,000,000,000:

the human would have a base power of 1,000,000, and would need access to either special training or magic to use the rest.

the saiyan would have a base power of 2,500,000, and could transform into an ssj3 (assuming they have discovered it) to access the rest.

they have enlarged adrenal glands, allowing the production of large amounts of adrenaline (in case you haven't noticed, ssj is really just an extreme adrenaline rush)

they produce a hormone when critically injured that causes their tissues to heal in better condition than before.

and that's it.

also, there is something you don't seem to realize. dormant ability is wasted power. humans have high dormant ability because their brains and bodies aren't geared for fighting, while saiyans have relatively low dormant ability because their brains and bodies are geared for fighting. that's why humans need outside help in the form of potential releases in order to keep up with the saiyans.

Herms Strength Checker

 

Chapter: 270 (DBZ 76), P2.3-4
Context: Kuririn believes that Gohan’s Saiyan blood means he’ll have more hidden power than he had.
Kuririn: “I had this much dormant power. You’ve got Saiyan blood, so I think it’s safe to have high expectations!”

Herms Strength Checker

 

Chapter: 151, P2.1
Karin: “Unlike the Super Holy Water, the Super God Water isn’t just a trick; it’s not merely ordinary water. Rather, it’s magnificent water capable of drawing out all the power you’ve got hidden inside you…However, if you’ve already mastered all of your power through training, even if you drink the Super God Water you won’t get stronger at all…”

Chapter: 488 (DBZ 294), P4.9, P5.1-2
Context: after Gohan’s unintentional display of power
Goku: “…Am…amazin’…So he really wasn’t just some regular dirty old geezer?...*talking to Kaioshin* ‘Do-dormant ability’…That’s a person’s true power, that they have hidden all along…Right?”
Kaioshin: “Ye-yeah…I-I think so…”
Goku: “Mu-must be…Man, Go-Gohan…Just how the heck much power is he hidin'?...”