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Daizenshuu Misconceptions
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 12 2012, 06:54 PM (5,372 Views)
TrunksinSwimmingTrunks	Oct 15 2012, 03:43 AM Post #46
Formerly known as daman Posts: 8,651 Group: Member Member #5,599 Joined: January 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Canada Favourite Anime One Piece, Gintama, You and Me, Haibane Renmei, Initial D, FMAB, No. 6, Wtt NHK! , Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Tortoises were made to live not be used. Stormo/Pedy/Nims/songohanfrancais whereru Favourite Manga Dorohedoro,IamaHero, Again!!, All Rounder Meguru,RRR,Berserk,Dragon Boru. Ninjajp/Slayerslice appeal	The opinion of someone who was not directly involved in the creative process of a series
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+ Pyrus	Oct 15 2012, 04:23 AM Post #47
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	wolffanghameha Oct 15 2012, 03:43 AM The opinion of someone who was not directly involved in the creative process of a series But was more involved than us. KACHING.
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TrunksinSwimmingTrunks	Oct 15 2012, 04:30 AM Post #48
Formerly known as daman Posts: 8,651 Group: Member Member #5,599 Joined: January 6, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Canada Favourite Anime One Piece, Gintama, You and Me, Haibane Renmei, Initial D, FMAB, No. 6, Wtt NHK! , Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Tortoises were made to live not be used. Stormo/Pedy/Nims/songohanfrancais whereru Favourite Manga Dorohedoro,IamaHero, Again!!, All Rounder Meguru,RRR,Berserk,Dragon Boru. Ninjajp/Slayerslice appeal	Well still not directly involved. Yeh, some 50 year old in Japan was more directly involved than me, because they were part of the original target audience, so effected what AT wrote. But still, that alone can't make their opinion more valid. Those directly involved are dimensions apart
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+ Kyouks	Oct 15 2012, 04:38 AM Post #49
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	AT approved it, and while AT probably doesn't give much of a crap about stuff like this, it means something. Manga > Daiz for sure, but you can use the Daiz wisely. Like Kaboom says, it's a guidebook, not a rulebook, so just don't hold it in the same reverence you would the manga.



+ Pyrus	Oct 15 2012, 04:45 AM Post #50
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Wolf, accept it. You've lost. You're fighting just to fight now!
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+ Kyouks	Oct 15 2012, 05:21 AM Post #51
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	I think he's just playing devil's advocate, yeh.



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Oct 15 2012, 07:05 AM Post #52
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	He doesnt have to play, there is nothing wrong with not accepting it. its accredited to toriyama to avoid copyright infringement. People involved better be artists and story writers FOR the manga, not feedback, or target audience members. We all know AT had people working for him, but wasnt he running the anime section of the production anyways? all the cartooning and ideas came from him. hes the founder, thats like taking credit away from russel simmons for creating the def jam label, because universal bought it from him.



+ Kyouks	Oct 15 2012, 07:37 AM Post #53
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Ofc you don't have to entirely accept it, but I personally wouldn't completely disregard it. These are sorta the rules I use for the Daiz now: - If something in there is supported by manga, or implied by the manga, use it (I think ninja will respond to this talking about how the Daiz isn't needed to state the obvious, but anyways....). - If nothing in the manga supports it at all, then choose wisely. Vic Unstoppable's rule for the Daiz is "Use it to support an argument, not create one". For example, the Daiz talking about Tien being an alien or whatever isn't hinted at in the manga at all, so don't go by it if you don't want to. - If something is just blatantly wrong, then ofc you should disregard it. It's still "only" a guidebook after all, it's not perfect. Manga has precedence over the Daiz, so if the manga contradicts it, then it's done. - If it's in regards to movies, and the movie doesn't contradict it, it should be fine in most cases. There's no manga for the movies, anyways. IIRC, D6 and D7 are specifically for movies (right?). So if one of 'em says something like SSJ Borly > MSSJ Goku (which it does, D6 I believe) it should be okay since it's not contradicted. That's what I do now in regards to the Daiz. Edited by Kyouks, Oct 15 2012, 07:39 AM.



+ Pyrus	Oct 15 2012, 07:55 AM Post #54
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Paikuan extreme Oct 15 2012, 07:05 AM He doesnt have to play, there is nothing wrong with not accepting it. its accredited to toriyama to avoid copyright infringement. People involved better be artists and story writers FOR the manga, not feedback, or target audience members. We all know AT had people working for him, but wasnt he running the anime section of the production anyways? all the cartooning and ideas came from him. hes the founder, thats like taking credit away from russel simmons for creating the def jam label, because universal bought it from him. Toriyama didn't have a heavy influence over the anime portion of the series. Just writing the manga was stressful enough, I'd imagine.
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+ Kyouks	Oct 15 2012, 08:20 AM Post #55
Posts: 10,305 Group: Elite Member Member #8,102 Joined: August 11, 2012 Gender Other Country South Africa Favourite Anime Hentai What Browser do you use? The best one Favourite Manga They all suck	Yes, forgot to mention that as well. AT only helped with a few designs. He didn't do a lot, Heck, for Pikkon, IIRC, he even just said "make a Piccolo-like character" or something. He really didn't do a whole lot for the anime; just a few designs, and a few general ideas for filler which he would just let TOEI expand on (IIRC).



~~Paikuan extreme~~	Oct 15 2012, 02:00 PM Post #56
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	Kamikaze Pyro Oct 15 2012, 07:55 AM Paikuan extreme Oct 15 2012, 07:05 AM He doesnt have to play, there is nothing wrong with not accepting it. its accredited to toriyama to avoid copyright infringement. People involved better be artists and story writers FOR the manga, not feedback, or target audience members. We all know AT had people working for him, but wasnt he running the anime section of the production anyways? all the cartooning and ideas came from him. hes the founder, thats like taking credit away from russel simmons for creating the def jam label, because universal bought it from him. Toriyama didn't have a heavy influence over the anime portion of the series. Just writing the manga was stressful enough, I'd imagine. Didnt he say he ran some portions of the anime? we all know he did character invention for his retelling aka filler scenes. so not much writing needed to be done anyways. Just seeing it from a different point of view. im not writing the daiz off, it has some info that could be useful if you were involved in a role playing game of some sort. or for simply wanting DBZ knowledge. But i just dont see a reason for a guidebook to the manga when the anime is the direct adaptation. Even any novels would be an adaptation. All i want to know for sure in the end, is if toriyama considers the remake of his story valid. Nevermind guidebooks.



~~GridZero~~	Oct 15 2012, 02:10 PM Post #57
Posts: 5,387 Group: Suspended Member #7,577 Joined: April 27, 2012 What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Fullmetal Alchemist	Anime is not a direct adaptation. It creates holes in the plot. You can't just ignore those. And no, the Daiz is not a guidebook for the anime until Daizenshuu 6. Toei literally had no contributions to the Daiz until 6 and 7, so your logic crumbles again.



+ Pyrus	Oct 15 2012, 02:33 PM Post #58
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Paikuan extreme Oct 15 2012, 02:00 PM Kamikaze Pyro Oct 15 2012, 07:55 AM Paikuan extreme Oct 15 2012, 07:05 AM He doesnt have to play, there is nothing wrong with not accepting it. its accredited to toriyama to avoid copyright infringement. People involved better be artists and story writers FOR the manga, not feedback, or target audience members. We all know AT had people working for him, but wasnt he running the anime section of the production anyways? all the cartooning and ideas came from him. hes the founder, thats like taking credit away from russel simmons for creating the def jam label, because universal bought it from him. Toriyama didn't have a heavy influence over the anime portion of the series. Just writing the manga was stressful enough, I'd imagine. Didnt he say he ran some portions of the anime? we all know he did character invention for his retelling aka filler scenes. so not much writing needed to be done anyways. Just seeing it from a different point of view. im not writing the daiz off, it has some info that could be useful if you were involved in a role playing game of some sort. or for simply wanting DBZ knowledge. But i just dont see a reason for a guidebook to the manga when the anime is the direct adaptation. Even any novels would be an adaptation. All i want to know for sure in the end, is if toriyama considers the remake of his story valid. Nevermind guidebooks. No. He said he left the anime to Toei because he had faith in them. The anime is still a contradicting, plothole-filled mess, especially the more it went on.
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~~Paikuan extreme~~	Oct 15 2012, 05:15 PM Post #59
Posts: 5,568 Group: Suspended Member #5,921 Joined: March 29, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? ie9 Favourite Manga akira	GridZero Oct 15 2012, 02:10 PM Anime is not a direct adaptation. It creates holes in the plot. You can't just ignore those. And no, the Daiz is not a guidebook for the anime until Daizenshuu 6. Toei literally had no contributions to the Daiz until 6 and 7, so your logic crumbles again. where is that dislike button again? you have no proof whatsoever toei didnt produce those books, and if they didnt until daiz 6? then they really are just personal opinion written by fans. cant believe you fell for that. LOL. you proved my point for me. he did not leave the anime to toei pyrus, derp, he CREATED ALL THE CHARACTERS, he designed everyone from broly to pikkon. So...what?!! Edited by Paikuan extreme, Oct 15 2012, 05:16 PM.



+ Pyrus	Oct 15 2012, 05:19 PM Post #60
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Guess I'm gonna have to get that interview for you since you misunderstood my point and were wrong on top of it. No need to get flamy about it.
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