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Daizenshuu Misconceptions
Topic Started: Oct 12 2012, 06:54 PM (5,369 Views)
GridZero Oct 12 2012, 06:54 PM Post #1
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Daizenshuu Misconception 1: Randomers wrote the Daizenshuu, therefore it is Fan Opinion.

False. No one wrote the Daizenshuu. It was collected material from the manga, collected by an organizational group called Caramel Mama who had worked with Toriyama before on Chrono Trigger and more recently, they've worked on Dragon Ball Kai.

Secondly, the man who served as Editor to all the Daizenshuu Volumes (Watanabe Akinori) worked side by side with Toriyama on the DB and DBZ manga, and he directed the Dr. Slump movie.

Daizenshuu Misconception 2: It contradicts itself, so it must be wrong.

False. The Daizenshuu contradicts itself because the volumes in which this happens, there was a different organizational group involved.

Daizenshuu Research
 
Daizenshuu 2 Organization ; Battle Volume: Caramel Mama (the company who worked on Dragon Ball Kai, and Chrono Trigger.)

Daizenshuu 7 Organization ; Character Encyclopedia: Caramel Mama, and this organization called "Kisousha" which I can find nothing about, however, it's one entity, and I smell Toei's name all over it.

IN FACT: Collaborative Parties from Daizenshuu 7 include: Toei Animation, and Fuji TV.

Daizenshuu 6 Organization ; Movie Guide: Solely the "Kisousha" organization. Caramel is not included.

Daizenshuu 4 Organization ; World Guide: Solely Caramel.

Daizenshuu 1 Organization ; Complete Illustrations: Solely Caramel.


So, you see? The only times the Daizenshuu contradicts itself is when there is outside influence from third parties such as the Kisousha company and Toei.

Daizenshuu Misconception 3: Daizenshuu is just a guidebook put out by no one recognizable.

False. The Daizenshuu was published by Toriyama's studio.

Publishing House :
 
Shueisha Co., Ltd.


If you've ever seen the books in real life, this will be on them.
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I hope I've cleared up any problems and lies concerning the Daizenshuu.

It should not be held above the manga, but it's not a fan opinion, or a randomesr, but by people who worked with Toriyama, and have significant credibility.

And in case you want to know who "Caramel Mama" is, here's their website. Listing several big projects they have organized and their work for Toriyama.

Caramel Mama Website
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NavonWise Oct 12 2012, 07:19 PM Post #2
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 Wan't to post what I think about the Daiz Grid? ^_^
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GridZero Oct 12 2012, 07:22 PM Post #3
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Your opinion is flawed and doesn't work because the manga also contradicts itself.

Therefore, you must tie what you think about the Daiz in with the manga.
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NavonWise Oct 12 2012, 07:24 PM Post #4
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 Yeah but the difference is, it's the manga doing the contradictions, not the Daiz. Plus, what are these huge contradictions in the manga?
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+ Pyrus Oct 12 2012, 07:27 PM Post #5
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 I applaud you, Grid. I hope this will help persuade some people to stop shrugging off the Daizenshuu (which is plural in itself) as, like you said, "fan opinion" or even just outright garbage, because it's not. It's a very valuable resource and works well with the manga, movies, and anime.
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NavonWise Oct 12 2012, 07:28 PM Post #6
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 :bang:
Watch yo backs..
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GridZero Oct 12 2012, 07:30 PM Post #7
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Lots.

Goku destroying Cell's upper torso and him regenerating despite the core in his head being vaporized.

Goten/Trunks not being born with tails.

Goku's plot hax gains from Namek.

Bardock fighting Freeza in space. (Yes, this is actually in the manga)

Goku not turning Great Ape when taking that rabbit guy to the moon in DB is also one. Not to mention, he breathed in space then said he couldn't in the Freeza Saga.
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NavonWise Oct 12 2012, 07:33 PM Post #8
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 If I remember correctly, if one single cell survives, he can comeback.
Where exactly is it stated they were born without it?
Not a contradiction BOIII
That's just an image mayne!
That's Dragon Ball, it's all jokes in there bub..
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GridZero Oct 12 2012, 07:37 PM Post #9
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Bad excuses.

If that one cell thing was true, then Cell would've regenerated out of thin air, not from his upper torso.

Toriyama himself said it's a recessive trait, which makes no sense because then Gohan shouldn't have one either.

Yeah, it's an image of Bardock floating in space, where he shouldn't be able to breathe, yet there he is.

And nope, the gag excuse doesn't work. It happened, whether you like it or not and is contradictory to the plot.
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* Yu Narukami Oct 12 2012, 07:41 PM Post #10
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Izanagi!

 You could argue that either;

A) Planet Vegeta's atmosphere extended out to that point
B) Freeza's spaceship had an artificial atmosphere
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NavonWise Oct 12 2012, 07:43 PM Post #11
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 Um...no because his upper torso was destroyed, and his lower one was still there. When he blew up he regenerated from one single cell.
Ok maybe that's one...1! Uno!
It's an image, just an image, like when Yamcha does his Wolf Fang Fist, you see a wolf, but it's not like the wolf is actually there punk!
That's different chump! It's Dragon Ball, that's why in Z, you don't see bears and crocs talking anymore. It was all for jokes which shouldn't be taken seriously! I WIN!
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GridZero Oct 12 2012, 07:43 PM Post #12
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Naked Snake
Oct 12 2012, 07:41 PM
You could argue that either;

A) Planet Vegeta's atmosphere extended out to that point
B) Freeza's spaceship had an artificial atmosphere
Plausible, but both are completely unfounded as they are never elaborated upon so the fact stands that he's in space.

Oh, and in that panel, we don't see him close to Freeza's spaceship. He could be, but we don't know.

Edit: You're not getting it.

His core is in his head. He regenerates from his core when he blows up.

His core is vaporized by the KHH.

You can argue that one cell exists, but there's no proof.
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+ Pyrus Oct 12 2012, 07:46 PM Post #13
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Oct 12 2012, 07:41 PM
You could argue that either;

A) Planet Vegeta's atmosphere extended out to that point
B) Freeza's spaceship had an artificial atmosphere
I use the atmosphere argument myself. If it explains a plothole, why not? It's not like we're using filler to explain something in the manga.
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+ Clearin Oct 12 2012, 07:50 PM Post #14
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 Daiz is meh.

I don't care who it was write by. It wasn't writen by Toriyama, or even his editor(s), therefore it is not canon to me. And they didn't talk to Toriyama about it either from what I know (I may be wrong there?) so how do they know all this stuff? If it wasn't in the manga and it wasn't told to them by Toriyama then it's just ***** they made up.

I couldn't care less what they do with the anime though.
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NavonWise Oct 12 2012, 07:51 PM Post #15
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GridZero
Oct 12 2012, 07:43 PM
Naked Snake
Oct 12 2012, 07:41 PM
You could argue that either;

A) Planet Vegeta's atmosphere extended out to that point
B) Freeza's spaceship had an artificial atmosphere
Plausible, but both are completely unfounded as they are never elaborated upon so the fact stands that he's in space.

Oh, and in that panel, we don't see him close to Freeza's spaceship. He could be, but we don't know.

Edit: You're not getting it.

His core is in his head. He regenerates from his core when he blows up.

His core is vaporized by the KHH.

You can argue that one cell exists, but there's no proof.
I was in the impression that even though his upper torso was destroyed, because his lower body was still there he can still come back. The cells are still there, so...yeah...
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