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Fat Janemba vs SSJ Gotenks (Pre Rosat)
Topic Started: Oct 12 2012, 05:37 PM (1,652 Views)
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Slayerslice
Oct 13 2012, 02:02 AM
Fatty couldn't move though.
Idk, and that wasn't even though Full Powered Janemba too, he charged up when Gogeta formed, hmm.
Fat Janemba was moving just fine. He just didn't move much.

Super Janemba was taking everything Goku had with a smile on his face.
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Oct 12 2012, 06:30 PM
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janemba, ssj3 goku in movie 12 was way more powerful in the underworld than the goku that fought fat boo imho.
not that he cant be the same goku, but its after boo saga. Goku has gotten more powerful like every saiyan does after a fight. Boo was the top of the list until janemba.

So if fat janemba alone reminds goku of majin boo then Super janemba was a handful .

I think gotenks doesnt succeed.
It's not after the Boo Saga. The only time Vegeta and Goku are both dead and in Otherworld is after the Fat Boo fight, but before the Gotenks-Boo fight.

@Topic: Fat Janemba would stomp Gotenks. It took all SSjin3 Goku had to put Fatty Chin-Chins out of his misery, and Goku was stated to have powered up since he fought Fat Boo. By simple powerscaling, we can see just how high Goku and Janemba rank.

SSjin3 Goku (canon) < SSjin Gotenks (pre) < SSjin Gotenks (post, expected) < Initial Super Boo < Fat Janemba < SSjin3 Goku (M12)
if thats true then you should add canon goku as the same goku, except more powerful now. But it is a side story and having everythin happen during the boo saga makes no sense.

If it wasnt after boo, then why are the dead walking the earth? i still think including boo in this movie was a retcon.

i dont think boo should have a place in this movie. The dead are walking the earth haunting everyone, and boo is gone, goku spoke about him in the past tense. There should be NO people on earth. there shouldnt even be an earth.

So we have a demon that goku fights while dead, except that while dead he was on kai world, and king yemma was never taken hostage. The kids are gotenks but gohan doesnt seem ultimate.

i think it has to be after boo, otherwise, you have janemba and boo at the same time, and goku never went back to the underworld.

So i still think that its after boo, a boo being taken care of by either gotenks or gohan, a boo that didnt require goku back to life.

But then again this movie PREDATES the end of the majin boo saga, which explains why goku and vegeta are alive in movie 13.

retcon for perpetuity. Nothing more. Unless of course they were wished back to life by porunga.
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Paikuan extreme
Oct 12 2012, 05:44 PM
janemba, ssj3 goku in movie 12 was way more powerful in the underworld than the goku that fought fat boo imho.
not that he cant be the same goku, but its after boo saga. Goku has gotten more powerful like every saiyan does after a fight. Boo was the top of the list until janemba.

So if fat janemba alone reminds goku of majin boo then Super janemba was a handful .

I think gotenks doesnt succeed.
It's not after the Boo Saga. The only time Vegeta and Goku are both dead and in Otherworld is after the Fat Boo fight, but before the Gotenks-Boo fight.

@Topic: Fat Janemba would stomp Gotenks. It took all SSjin3 Goku had to put Fatty Chin-Chins out of his misery, and Goku was stated to have powered up since he fought Fat Boo. By simple powerscaling, we can see just how high Goku and Janemba rank.

SSjin3 Goku (canon) < SSjin Gotenks (pre) < SSjin Gotenks (post, expected) < Initial Super Boo < Fat Janemba < SSjin3 Goku (M12)
if thats true then you should add canon goku as the same goku, except more powerful now. But it is a side story and having everythin happen during the boo saga makes no sense.

If it wasnt after boo, then why are the dead walking the earth? i still think including boo in this movie was a retcon.

i dont think boo should have a place in this movie. The dead are walking the earth haunting everyone, and boo is gone, goku spoke about him in the past tense. There should be NO people on earth. there shouldnt even be an earth.

So we have a demon that goku fights while dead, except that while dead he was on kai world, and king yemma was never taken hostage. The kids are gotenks but gohan doesnt seem ultimate.

i think it has to be after boo, otherwise, you have janemba and boo at the same time, and goku never went back to the underworld.

So i still think that its after boo, a boo being taken care of by either gotenks or gohan, a boo that didnt require goku back to life.

But then again this movie PREDATES the end of the majin boo saga, which explains why goku and vegeta are alive in movie 13.

retcon for perpetuity. Nothing more. Unless of course they were wished back to life by porunga.
Well, yes, this movie is after Boo is killed (most likely by Gotenks) in-universe, but during the middle of the saga out-of-universe. That's what I meant. In-universe, Gotenks probably killed Boo in the RoSaT, so Gohan either didn't finish the ritual or finished midway through or something, and Goku went to the Grand Kai's planet for the Otherworld tourney. If it was truly in the middle of saga, Goku randomly fighting in a tourney would make no sense.
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Why not SSjin 3 Goku killing Fatty?
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I think it was Goku that killed Buu.
Hence why he is stronger in the movie, because he leveled up from the fight.
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Oct 13 2012, 04:36 PM
Why not SSjin 3 Goku killing Fatty?

Because then the kids would have no reason to continue learning Fusion, at least not in such a hurry, and hence would have no reason to use the RoSaT, where they learned all their wacky techniques. Unless you believe they did all of that for the hell of it, but then that would allow for them to become insurmountably stronger than their canon counterpart due to them not being restricted to 15 days. :)
Slayerslice
Oct 13 2012, 04:40 PM
I think it was Goku that killed Buu.
Hence why he is stronger in the movie, because he leveled up from the fight.

Without zenkais, nobody has ever leveled up the way Goku did between canon and the movie.
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yeah the kids learning fusion and gohan not being as strong indicates that gotenks killed boo. Which one we cant be sure.

But it makes sense considering the tournament.
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@KP. Goku could have taught them the fusion anyway. That's what he wanted the whole time. The new generation being able to stop villains. I'm not quite sure if the Ghost technique was thought of in the rosat, but if it was, that ends my theory.
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Could be a universe where Goku killed Kid Buu but he & Vegeta died in the process. Then were wished back to life in M13.
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Oct 13 2012, 09:55 PM
@KP. Goku could have taught them the fusion anyway. That's what he wanted the whole time. The new generation being able to stop villains. I'm not quite sure if the Ghost technique was thought of in the rosat, but if it was, that ends my theory.
Why didn't he bring up Fusion at any time before Boo showed up, then?

They did learn it in the RoSaT. :D
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He thought Gohan would be able to take care of it. That is also what he wanted.
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Oct 14 2012, 05:45 AM
He thought Gohan would be able to take care of it. That is also what he wanted.
So Fusion was a last resort if Gohan failed.
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