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SSJ4 Goku (Beginning of DB) vs Burter
Topic Started: Oct 12 2012, 04:40 PM (1,011 Views)
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Who wins?
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If Goku could go Ssj4 in the Saiyans saga (and that's impossible, because he has no tail, no Ssj and obviously no ability to control the Gold Oozaru form), he would be as strong as a Buu Saga Ssj4 Goku, because the Ssj4 transformation would make him release all his natural power up to limits.

So, I think Burter would die only because of being in the same galaxy of Son.
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Goku had his potential released by the Sacred Water, did he not? And he was nowhere near even his BOZ level.
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taking it as a hypethetical, he was 416 (no golden oozaru, vegeta went ssj4 with normal oozaru, so...), 416x10=4 160 (oozaru form)x50=208 000, meaning he can take brtur, captain ginyu and guldo at once, and at DB where he had a power of 10 his ssj4 would have been 5 000, so burtur would win in a flash
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Oct 12 2012, 06:27 PM
Goku had his potential released by the Sacred Water, did he not? And he was nowhere near even his BOZ level.
And Gohan received a big boost on Namek... But, despite that, his true potential has been unlocked by Old Kai only many years later.
Ssj4 is not a fixed multiplier, it doesn't work like others Ssjs; the idea behind a Ssj4 is the same there is behind the Saikyou no Senshi treatment: all the dormant power gets unlocked (even beyond limits, with Saikyou no Senshi), and once that is done, a guy can't become stronger than that, because his maximum has been reached.

An hypothetical Saikyou no Senshi Gohan of the Saiyans arc, under the Old Kai ritual, would have been = Buu saga Ultimate Gohan power wise, because Gohan's limits are always the same.
I think that threads like this suit well with Ssj, Ssj2 and Ssj3 wich do have fixed multipliers, and not with Ssj4 or "Ultimate state" because they are related to all the hidden potential power.
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Didn't he say Beginning of Dragon Ball Goku guys?

In which case Goku gets curb stomped IMO.
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Goku's dormant power at this time =/= Goku's Boo Saga power IMO. The two are unrelated.

Burter wins; it's essentially post-Divine Water Goku IMO.
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Oct 12 2012, 07:07 PM
taking it as a hypethetical, he was 416 (no golden oozaru, vegeta went ssj4 with normal oozaru, so...), 416x10=4 160 (oozaru form)x50=208 000, meaning he can take brtur, captain ginyu and guldo at once, and at DB where he had a power of 10 his ssj4 would have been 5 000, so burtur would win in a flash
Vegeta became golden. His only reason he didn't go golden first is because once you reach consciousness in that form you go straight to ssj4. He wanted to scare Kakarot for the hell of it and did so which is why he controlled every bit of his transformation from regular ape to golden ape after laughing at Goku to ssj4
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Oct 12 2012, 07:07 PM
taking it as a hypethetical, he was 416
I wouldn't use scouter PLs for DB at all, but FYI, that's Goku's BoZ strength, not his BoDB strength.
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Goku's body wouldn't even handle the Transformation...in GT his Body was primed for it due to accessing the higher SS forms, this Goku hadn't even accessed SS yet.

Honestly...I see happening to Goku, what happened to what Vegeta said about the last recorded SS 1,000 years before Namek arc, Goku pretty much destroying himself and the planet due to his power.

You know...that would've been very fitting if Goku had actually died on Namek.
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Goku would get owned by Burter
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Saberoph, that makes alot of sence actually, i think i agree, but then what would happen to burtur, it end in a draw as goku and burtur gets killed under the sheer, uncontrolled power, leading to total anialition of both and the planet they are on
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This "uncontrollable power" is just Goku's post-Sacred Water power, since that's the only dormant power Goku is ever evidenced to possess in the canon DB world. BoDB SSJ4 Goku would get stomped by Popo, let alone Burter.
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My multiplier for SSJ 4 is 3,200.

Goku: 10
SSJ 4 Goku: 32,000
Burter: 42,000

Burter wins!
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Oct 13 2012, 04:46 PM
Saberoph, that makes alot of sence actually, i think i agree, but then what would happen to burtur, it end in a draw as goku and burtur gets killed under the sheer, uncontrolled power, leading to total anialition of both and the planet they are on
Thanks, it would be like BOGT Goku randomly using the Kaioken after not using it since the Frieza arc...it would rip his body to bits, his body wouldn't handle that kind of strain (And no I am not debating it either!).
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