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| The Herms, the Viz, and the Scan-ugly | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 10 2012, 07:45 PM (1,238 Views) | |
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Oct 10 2012, 07:45 PM Post #1 |
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I've been doing some reading over one of nimbus' old threads, Gotenks Power Evidence Compilation and over Grid's thread, Viz vs. Herms. From what I read, I think that it's safe to assume Herm's translation>Viz translation>Scanlations. Going with Herms since it's the best way if you're looking for the best accuracy and next in line buying the Viz manga. In her thread, nimbus was kind enough to provide the corresponding Herms quotes that eats>>> everything said in the scans she posted. My questions -How much more accurate is Herms over Viz, Herms over the Scanlations, and Viz over the Scanlations? What are the gaps between the 3 amongst each other? - Are you missing out on a great deal of information when you're just reading the Viz and Scanlations? -Scans are last in line, but do they help you any? If yes, How much? If no, are they a waste of time? -Are you able to use Scans but at the same time throw in your knowledge from everything provided from Herms, such as the actual quotes along with the Scans for better accuracy? |
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| + Clearin | Oct 10 2012, 08:20 PM Post #2 |
 
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I'm just going to say this for scanlations: You should only ever use them if you just need a general idea of what is being said on that page. While they're not exactly greatly written they do at least get the gist of what the Japanese version was saying. But sometimes they'll just leave things out, or worse say the exact opposite of what the real manga said. Viz isn't terrible, but they'll often leave things out (Oozaru being x10 normal). And sometimes they'll also give false facts (Saibamen being over 1,200 and equal to Raditz). But in general it's pretty decent to use in an argument, especially to back up something Herms said. Personally if you need to find a line I'd go: Herms > Japanese Anime (It's very good when it comes to lines from the manga tbh, although it also depends on the subber if you don't understand Japanese - However I've found most of the time it fits Herms quotes almost perfectly) > Viz > Scanlations |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 10 2012, 08:32 PM Post #3 |
 
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Herms is a direct translation, word for word as best as he can get it. Viz is translated with an American audience in mind, so things are changed or omitted to fit American dialect. Herms >> Viz >>>>>>..............>>>>>>>>> scanlations IMO.
With Viz, you're not missing out on a whole lot, but you'll get varying interpretations of the original text. For instance, Toriyama's traditional way of saying one person is much stronger than another is using "different dimensions," which is what's used by Piccolo to describe East Kaioshin at the tournament. But in Viz, he's described as a "different order of being," obviously meaning Viz interpreted the line to mean Piccolo was referring to godly status, not strength. Another example is the speech Kibitoshin gives to Elder Kaioshin about Kid Boo. In it, he mentions that Kid Boo's power was lowered through absorption(s) and that he gained a heart. In Viz, he doesn't mention Boo's power actually being lowered, just that he was made controllable, and that he gained a soul instead of a heart. Things like that will pop up all over Viz. You'll also have some things being outright omitted, such as Vegeta mentioning that Oozaru is a 10x multiplier not being in Viz. Scanlations vary in reliability, but none of them are good. Some are downright dastardly and make no sense, some have panels that are left untranslated, and some mix up the pages or don't include a page, which just breeds confusion. A lot of times I'll see scans with dialogue that was just copied from the anime. I have yet to see an actual scanlation that even rivals Viz, let alone Herms.
If you don't care about accuracy and just want to read a story, scans can help in that aspect. Otherwise, I think they're a waste of time.
You can contrast and compare the two as you read, sure. Oh yeah, the Japanese anime is probably second to Herms. It's very accurate in line with the manga. Edited by Pyrus, Oct 10 2012, 08:33 PM.
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Oct 10 2012, 11:41 PM Post #4 |
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I appreciate you two. Seriously. But Pyrus mentioned that the scans aren't reliable, I understand that but he also mentioned that I could compare and contrast them along side with Herms quotes. How effective is comparing and contrasting the two? I would like to know because that's something I wouldn't mind doing to hold me over until I can get the Viz manga, which I'm in the process of working on, but if it's a waste comparing and contrasting just like it would just reading the scans by their self , then I feel no need to waste my time doing that either. Edited by Professor Gohan, Oct 10 2012, 11:42 PM.
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| + Pyrus | Oct 11 2012, 02:49 AM Post #5 |
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I meant like reading the scans, but using what Herms wrote in place of what the scan says. |
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Oct 11 2012, 02:52 AM Post #6 |
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Ok I gotcha. |
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Oct 11 2012, 03:00 AM Post #7 |
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Scanlations are literally only useful for looking up a specific attack, or a fight. Viz - Alright translation to have on hand, full package. Herms - More professional translation to have. |
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