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Mystic Goku vs Mystic Gohan
Topic Started: Oct 10 2012, 03:36 AM (1,453 Views)
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Oct 11 2012, 12:29 AM
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Oct 10 2012, 05:11 AM
It's dependent on dormant power though, and as far as we know, Goku has next to none at this point.

Assuming Gohan slacks off more, Goku's only hope of surpassing him would be through training for a good amount of time IMO.
Goku has heaps of potential left. Just none of it puts him near Gohan. Remember those EoZ gains?
Potential =/= Dormant power, even though the two usually seem to go together. That's I said he'd surpass through training only.
I think it's the same personally. Goku can't surpass Mystic Gohan. It's not possible.
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Oct 10 2012, 03:19 PM
Wouldn't Mystic Goku make him beyond SSJ4?
Because that's what he became in GT, that's potential.

In that case, Goku stomps Gohan.
No, Goku would die manga-wise, because Gohan's potential is higher.
Bringing here the Grand Trash is useless, because we are in the canon world.

Ultimate Gohan > Ultimate Goku ~ MSsj4 Goku > Ssj4 Goku.
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Oct 11 2012, 12:09 AM
I am just saiyan.. Because they actually showed Goku after Z even if it's non-canon.
And EoGT Goku far surpassed Gohan.

Episode 63
Time: 8m5s
Context: Vegeta is going to fight Yi Xing Long by himself but Trunks protests this
Vegeta: "You guys survive! Take Bulma's spaceship, flee this planet, and live! Live...survive, and then some day, make sure you defeat him, Trunks! [ ] Gohan! Goten! You guys will avenge Kakarrot! Understand?!"

Even Toei acknowledged that the boys had the potential to beat someone SSjin4 Goku and Vegeta couldn't, given enough time, and none of them had the ability to go SSjin4 either.
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Oct 11 2012, 01:08 AM
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Oct 11 2012, 12:09 AM


So, if we went by that logic, Gohan could go SS4 (No, it's not stated that only a pure blooded Saiyan can go SS4, and since it's never stated that argument is one of the most if not the weakest argument),
It's stated several times in GT, that's why Baby couldn't go SSJ4 and that's why Bulma didn't make Gohan, Goten and Trunks transform.
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It's not explicitly stated, though I do believe it's heavily implied. Bulma tells Vegeta he couldn't transform because Baby was interfering with his cells at the time, so one could take that to mean either a Saiyan can do it with no interference, or only a full-blooded Saiyan can do it. I lean toward the latter, personally.
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Oct 11 2012, 05:31 AM
It's not explicitly stated, though I do believe it's heavily implied. Bulma tells Vegeta he couldn't transform because Baby was interfering with his cells at the time, so one could take that to mean either a Saiyan can do it with no interference, or only a full-blooded Saiyan can do it. I lean toward the latter, personally.
I lean toward the later theory as well because even if Goten and Trunks couldn't do Gohan shouldn't have no more problem then Goku or Vegeta going SSJ4. He had a tail and he is a SSJ.
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Implied? No. Heavily speculated by Bulma and Vegeta? Yes.

When Baby Vegeta saw Goku become a Super Great Ape, that's all he wanted to do, he had no intention turning SS4. All Baby Vegeta wanted to do was Kill Goku as a SGA...nothing more.
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I am just saiyan.. Because they actually showed Goku after Z even if it's non-canon.
And EoGT Goku far surpassed Gohan.
If we went by GT logic, Gohan would still win though, shown all through Z it's shown that Gohan has his Potential unlocked, but even after it being unlocked his hidden power begins to grow again...and very fast too. Gohan going crazy against Frieza is proof of this. Gohan had his potential unlocked...then when Gohan later got angry, what hidden power had been growing during those hours had surfaced.

So, if we went by that logic, Gohan could go SS4 (No, it's not stated that only a pure blooded Saiyan can go SS4, and since it's never stated that argument is one of the most if not the weakest argument), and destroy Goku. Also, Gohan probably wouldn't even need SS4 if he went back to Elder Kaioshin and had him bring out all his potential again...Gohan would once again be the strongest without any Transformations.
There are people that are called ''wasted talent'' Gohan is one of them, he had the highest potential but never very fulfilled it like Goku.
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I'm not denying that...I never have, sure Gohan wasted his talent and potential, but that doesn't change the fact that Gohan still has the highest potential compared to Goku'.
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Oct 11 2012, 11:34 AM
Implied? No. Heavily speculated by Bulma and Vegeta? Yes.

When Baby Vegeta saw Goku become a Super Great Ape, that's all he wanted to do, he had no intention turning SS4. All Baby Vegeta wanted to do was Kill Goku as a SGA...nothing more.
Because he couldn't go SSJ4. Baby had all the tools to do it and yet he didn't. Even ignoring that Baby was winning the fight up till Goku gets recharged, when Goku starts beating him it would have been time to use SSJ4 if he could of done it.
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Baby flat out stated that he only wanted to go Super Great Ape, he only wanted to dominate Goku...and THAT'S IT!

He had no intention of going SS4.

Please post a screencap of Baby stating he wanted to also use Goku's SS4 level with the Japanese Script.


I know i'll be waiting the rest of my life for it too...because it does not exist.
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Oct 11 2012, 04:31 PM
I'm not denying that...I never have, sure Gohan wasted his talent and potential, but that doesn't change the fact that Gohan still has the highest potential compared to Goku'.
I agree with Gohan's potential higher then Goku,
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If Gohan trained as much as Goku did, he would be loads more powerful just because he has a greater potential and hidden power. But since Goku trains, I myself have to give this match to Goku.
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