Kamikaze Pyro

Oct 10 2012, 01:32 AM

free willie

Oct 10 2012, 01:21 AM

Kyouka Suigetsu

Oct 10 2012, 12:43 AM

He powered up and the world basically almost broke (Goku).

Also, SSJ3 Goku is moderately stronger than Fat Boo who is far stronger than Grey Boo who is far stronger than Good Boo who is far stronger than SSJ2 Goku/Vegeta. How is that only a 2x-3x gap?

Yea, paragus said if broly doesn't stop powering up he could destroy the planet, goku in nameki saga powered up and the whole solar system started to bright up. krillin said cell full power can destroy it.

so ssj3 goku making the world shake or breaking it is not a big deal at all. unless it was gt lol


grey buu, good buu and ssj2 goku and vegeta are all in the same realm of power. but just higher percentages.

Fat Boo maimed Vegeta with one attack. Vegeta didn't even attempt to continue the fight after that. Grey Boo inherited most of that power. I don't see how they're in the same realm of power.

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- he did shield himself so yea, i dont know why you would bring that up

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- thats awesome and all, but still didn't one shot, he chocked him to finished him

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- yea and after how many hits did vegeta go back base against kid buu and how many did it take for spc to take vegeta out.

11 from what I could count, and then he chokes him out. Cell didn't knock Vegeta out of Super Saiyan, though.

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or how many hits did it take for broly to take out vegeta.

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- does it look like toei is basing there fights on plots and luck. videl survived against hirudigarn and broly, veku last 30 min against janemba. try to tell the difference buddy between a plot and a real fight

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does it look like im basing it on fusion multiplier. and yea buddy im talking about ssj to ssj2 and ssj2 to ssj3 not base to ssj which is a whole alot different then both. stick to the point of the debate.

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yea with his best attack, really a ssj3 tier using a his strongest attack to take out a ssj2. when a ssj2 can toy one shot a ssj

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plus look at the buu meter, ssj2 gohan filled up 47% of the metre

Kamikaze Pyro

Oct 10 2012, 01:55 AM

Now Babidi's magic ~ SSjin3 tier? Wow. We've all been severely underestimating Babidi all along.
- hmmm i dont know, he did seem pretty far away unlike vegeta who was right infront of it
Vegeta and Good Boo must be right up there with Kid Boo, then, if he couldn't one-shot them. Right? Like less than 50% difference, at most.
- i see about a 70% difference with vegeta and kid buu, about 55% with kid buu and good buu
11 from what I could count, and then he chokes him out. Cell didn't knock Vegeta out of Super Saiyan, though.
- 11 compare 1, tell me which one is better. forgot about the choking to base
Two, or one if you count it all as one sequence.
- one shot
Plot excuse. Interesting. So you can't actually disprove those points? All I was saying was people survive things they shouldn't all the time in the Boo Saga; only 3 people get one-shotted out of at least a handful of fights where the stronger fighter is 2x or more advantaged over the weaker fighter.

- ok, but it happens in almost all the fights in buu saga

Put your reading glasses on, son. I included Goku for a reason. If Base Gotenks goes from SSjin2 Goku to SSjin3 Goku, then guess what? SSjin2 Goku to SSjin3 Goku is equivalent to the SSjin multiplier (which is NOT different for Fusions, so don't even try using that cop-out), give or take a bit of percentage. So you either have SSjin2 to SSjin3 as 10-50x, or Base to SSjin as 2-3x like you love to use so much.

Included goku i Dont care about that, but Gotenks is a different story. no one knows fusion multiplier properly and people have different opinions on base gotenks pre, IMO his not ssj2 goku level and not even close anyways im talking about normal ssj multiplier.

Kamikaze Pyro

Oct 10 2012, 01:58 AM

If you didn't realize, that wasn't just an attack, that was a power-up. That attack/power-up put Fat Boo near SSjin3 Goku. He wasn't there yet when he initialized it.

yes he was, he never had any power ups after it, he was at full power at that moment, what are you talking about

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plus look at the buu meter, ssj2 gohan filled up 47% of the metre

Fat Boo = 2 SSjin2 Gohans?

wouldn't be surprise, its not like fat buu took out vegeta like nothing. but still it also depends on how suppressed goku was against fat buu

free willie

Oct 10 2012, 01:46 AM

Paikuan extreme

Oct 10 2012, 01:26 AM

free willie

Oct 10 2012, 12:03 AM

Paikuan extreme

Oct 9 2012, 11:57 PM

NO, thats an opinion based on herms inability to explain what happened. Goku charged to full power and did what z fighters always do, concentrate on one spot and put their hands through it. Broly is not invulnerable.

Nor does it make sense to have him be stronger than perfect cell when they have pulled the same feats against the comparably same goku. Sorry.

he tanks a kamehameha which 4x, powers up 2 times.

thats a toei moment, toei punch or some people like to call it a dragonfist

lol perfect cell

rssj broly FP>>RSSJ broly enrage>>Rssj broly king kai sense=cell true speed=>mssj kid gohan>cell powered up=>mssj goku

perfect cell you say ?

Rssj broly can wreck cell lol, good job keep going im taking my time with you

whats an RSSJ broly? that doesnt make sense.

Cell also had various stages of his power up as well. A comparably same strength level goku is what does the math here.

what is this x4 multiplier you have for? goku could only go maximum for a longer amount of time and no ki wastage.

since when can goku multiply his peak power by 4x and have it not make a difference against a guy he put his HAND through?

Telling me what broly did makes no diff. Goku didnt full power kame blast full power cell VS gohan.

Broly tanked a comparably full charged blast at broly and broly shrugged it off. yet could not survive a full power focused attack punch? Nevermind, miracle piercing techniques have only been around since the introduction of the makkansappo.

Moves that only concentrate on one spot mind you, and piccolo NEVER elevated his level, it was just that his overall power level being less than two times that of raditz, made it so that raditz was not comparably invulnerable to piccolos power.

All broly would have to be is 1.5 x gokus max power and he can walk through any KHH blast he wants to.

oh, oops

and yes to any who have asked themselves what i mean, the KHH blast is more of a kiai blast, it engulfs you and burns you alive.

If goku had used the makkansappo on broly no one would have questioned why he died.

whats an RSSJ broly? that doesnt make sense.

- Restricted super saiyan

Cell also had various stages of his power up as well. A comparably same strength level goku is what does the math here.
- and so did broly

what is this x4 multiplier you have for? goku could only go maximum for a longer amount of time and no ki wastage.
- ???? what are you talking about

since when can goku multiply his peak power by 4x and have it not make a difference against a guy he put his HAND through?

- the kamehameha peaked over 4x not himself

Telling me what broly did makes no diff. Goku didnt full power kame blast full power cell VS gohan.
- well lets see, does it look like gohan is trying to destroy the universe for goku to take it serious. really men

Broly tanked a comparably full charged blast at broly and broly shrugged it off. yet could not survive a full power focused attack punch? Nevermind, miracle piercing techniques have only been around since the introduction of the makkansappo.
- to toei, it is called a toei punched or some people like to call it a dragonfist.

Moves that only concentrate on one spot mind you, and piccolo NEVER elevated his level, it was just that his overall power level being less than two times that of raditz, made it so that raditz was not comparably invulnerable to piccolos power.

- and what does that have to do with broly, please i hope your not saying that was not a toei moment.

All broly would have to be is 1.5 x gokus max power and he can walk through any KHH blast he wants to.

- 1.5x ??? why would the kamehameha be 1.5x when in saiyan saga it 2.2x plus they are super saiyans and can put alot more power into it

oh, oops

and yes to any who have asked themselves what i mean, the KHH blast is more of a kiai blast, it engulfs you and burns you alive.

If goku had used the makkansappo on broly no one would have questioned why he died.

Bro how old are you ?

Paikuan extreme

Oct 10 2012, 08:37 PM

Hmm, so ur telling me that herms didnt invent the idea? wasnt the daiz HIS creation? i think im missing something here out of your protest.

Kamikaze Pyro

Oct 10 2012, 08:39 PM

Paikuan extreme

Oct 10 2012, 08:37 PM

Hmm, so ur telling me that herms didnt invent the idea? wasnt the daiz HIS creation? i think im missing something here out of your protest.

No? Herms didn't make the Daizenshuu, only translated them. Those were made by Bird Studio and published by Shueisha, and as far as I know, Herms has never worked for those two. Is that why you've always been claiming the guidebooks were merely fan opinion?

Paikuan extreme

Oct 10 2012, 09:00 PM

Kamikaze Pyro

Oct 10 2012, 08:39 PM

Paikuan extreme

Oct 10 2012, 08:37 PM

Hmm, so ur telling me that herms didnt invent the idea? wasnt the daiz HIS creation? i think im missing something here out of your protest.

No? Herms didn't make the Daizenshuu, only translated them. Those were made by Bird Studio and published by Shueisha, and as far as I know, Herms has never worked for those two. Is that why you've always been claiming the guidebooks were merely fan opinion?

guess thats been the basis for it yeah, on top of some other things.

Guidebooks huh? all of them companions for the anime adaptation?

Paikuan extreme

Oct 10 2012, 10:42 PM

It doesnt end a thousand arguments, my feelings on the books are the same. I was just under the impression the daiz's were created by herms, and approved by AT. Not a hUGE mistake considering i dont even buy superguides as it is. really.

miguelnuva

Oct 10 2012, 09:58 PM

free willie how is the SSJ2 to SSJ3 increase smaller than SSJ to SSJ2 when it was confirmed

SSJ3> army/100 SSJ2?

And stop attacking like a Brolytard.