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super saiyan vegeta vs pikkon
Topic Started: Oct 9 2012, 03:06 AM (1,292 Views)
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Oct 10 2012, 09:43 AM
Pikkon was actually stronger and better than Goku in the tournament.
Goku had 2 good hits on Pikkon, using the Super Kaio Ken and the Warp Kamehameha. And while the Kamehameha only "pushed" Pikkon around and didn't really hurt him, the Thunder Flashs really did make Goku feel pain and he was dead (=more resilient) already. Pikkon lost because he used an attack that needs to be charged 3 times in a row, not because he was weaker. And even then, if Goku didn't have instant transmission, he would have been incinerated to 2nd death.

Also Pikkon did NOT sucker punch Cell. He came from the front. Though he used his burning shot technique, which increases speed and power.

So in conclusion, I'd say
weighted, Burning Shot Pikkon = very low SSJ2 tier
Regular, unweighted Pikkon = very high SSJ tier

He would have mopped the floor with Ascended Vegeta, even after the 2nd ROSAT session.
If your opponent doesn't see it coming, it's a sucker punch.
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There's no real proof burning shot increases speed or power as far as I know. In fact Thunder Flash is very heavily implied to be his best technique anyway.
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Oct 10 2012, 04:47 PM
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Oct 10 2012, 09:43 AM
Pikkon was actually stronger and better than Goku in the tournament.
Goku had 2 good hits on Pikkon, using the Super Kaio Ken and the Warp Kamehameha. And while the Kamehameha only "pushed" Pikkon around and didn't really hurt him, the Thunder Flashs really did make Goku feel pain and he was dead (=more resilient) already. Pikkon lost because he used an attack that needs to be charged 3 times in a row, not because he was weaker. And even then, if Goku didn't have instant transmission, he would have been incinerated to 2nd death.

Also Pikkon did NOT sucker punch Cell. He came from the front. Though he used his burning shot technique, which increases speed and power.

So in conclusion, I'd say
weighted, Burning Shot Pikkon = very low SSJ2 tier
Regular, unweighted Pikkon = very high SSJ tier

He would have mopped the floor with Ascended Vegeta, even after the 2nd ROSAT session.
If your opponent doesn't see it coming, it's a sucker punch.
additionally pikons species may exhibit pain differently than goku. its a flimsy argument.

also pikkon beats everyone
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Oct 9 2012, 10:49 AM
Dear Miguel:

Pikkon charged SPC from the front, and there is no proof cell wasnt super perfect when he was attacked, he was remade super perfect after committing suicide. He died super perfect.

Cell was unable to do anything to keep pikkon from kicking him in his mouth, so how you figure pikkon sucker punched him is beyond me.

Goku beat pikkon in a friendly tournament, and by his own admission was not able to absorb two thunder flashes. So had to outsmart him. A full power kameblast with the MSSj multiplier on top of the apparent zenkai goku achieved in the anime after being killed by cell was what helped him beat pikkon.

and thats after pikkon basically tanked a super kaioken punch and a charged through a ki blast to smash goku into the ground. Pikkon had that fight, goku was the only one going all out. In the end they were disqualified so it hardly matters who won.

Clearin: Goku beating pikkon does not mean he is more powerful than spc all of a sudden. Although i have no clue why pyrus would put 3 to 5 x stronger than spc for the knockout. LOL. Thats hella.

I wouldnt put pikkon even at full strength when he kicked even a possibly suppressed SPC in his mouth, cause lets face it, a suppressed spc at the least would equal FP PC. Thats just tossing that around.
SPC still didn't know Pikkon was coming, it was a surprise attack on a suppressed Cell.

SSJS don't get Zenkai's so Goku didn't get one especially considering he was dead.

Pikkon didn't tank the punch it sent him flying so he's not 2x SSJ Goku which SPC is over 2x SSJ Goku.

Either Pikkon was going all out and had a slight edge over Goku thus catching Cell of Guard or Goku used SSJ2 like the BT games said and that would put Pikkon as stronger than SPC.
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Oct 10 2012, 01:33 AM
Goku fought Pikkon almost to a standstill. If Pikkon > SPC, Goku > SPC. There's no getting around that.
wrong, pikkon had that fight easy, gokus best wasnt enough, that point wasnt stressed MORE in that saga. What goku was doing strength wise WASNT ENOUGH.

That logic is weak.
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Oct 10 2012, 10:12 PM
Kamikaze Pyro
Oct 10 2012, 01:33 AM
Goku fought Pikkon almost to a standstill. If Pikkon > SPC, Goku > SPC. There's no getting around that.
wrong, pikkon had that fight easy, gokus best wasnt enough, that point wasnt stressed MORE in that saga. What goku was doing strength wise WASNT ENOUGH.

That logic is weak.
Everyone knows Goku was weaker, but the gap between even full power Perfect Cell and Goku would result in a stomp. Pikkon had an upperhand but he was far from winning effortlessly like Super Perfect Cell could have.
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but the whole srgument against what i just stated was about strength, equaling goku with pikkon simpy because he over ran perfect cell.

if anything the gaps arent that big and im right about only needing to be a certain amount of power over a users max ability. Pikkon had that over cell in spades, toriyama himself created this saga, i keep trying to tell people that cell was treated like a joke after he died the first time. Goku didnt fight cell because he wasnt ready, pikkon intervening not only displayed HIS power, but exactly what being around cell even meant for goku, nothing much to deal with. Gokus own training is what got him and his son to SSJ2, so thats not an issue, by his own admission it took him years to master the ssj3 form, he was only dead for seven....he stressed that for anyone to assume he meant more than couple, let alone a few...

all im saying.
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pikkon has the blazing shoot so he would win all his matches
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Oct 10 2012, 10:26 PM
but the whole srgument against what i just stated was about strength, equaling goku with pikkon simpy because he over ran perfect cell.

if anything the gaps arent that big and im right about only needing to be a certain amount of power over a users max ability. Pikkon had that over cell in spades, toriyama himself created this saga, i keep trying to tell people that cell was treated like a joke after he died the first time. Goku didnt fight cell because he wasnt ready, pikkon intervening not only displayed HIS power, but exactly what being around cell even meant for goku, nothing much to deal with. Gokus own training is what got him and his son to SSJ2, so thats not an issue, by his own admission it took him years to master the ssj3 form, he was only dead for seven....he stressed that for anyone to assume he meant more than couple, let alone a few...

all im saying.
Do you have proof that AT created the saga?

If you're claiming Goku didn't think much of Cell after just dying because of him, I can't agree with that. Cell was still very relevant to the Super Saiyan 2s of the Boo Saga.
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Saying Pikkon didn't essentially sucker punch Cell while he was flying at Goku, base Goku at that is akin to saying Gohan and Krillin didn't sucker punch Dadoria because he was going after Dende and later Gohan.

It wasn't a shot in the back ala Krillin @ Recooome but it damn sure was a cheap shot with someone's attention diverted elsewhere
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