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| + Kyouks | Oct 8 2012, 10:22 PM Post #16 |
 
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Your whole post, tbh. Sorry, but can you reiterate? |
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| Muyasuki | Oct 8 2012, 10:27 PM Post #17 |
 
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Honestly, it depends on how you view it. Looking from an in-story perspective, yes. None of the Z-fighters were considered not valuable, even though if you weren't a Saiyan or Piccolo, you were probably dwarfed in power (I think, with the exception of Piccolo and Chaotzu, they were all probably within relative range of each other in base), there were other battle roles they could potentially fill. Stalling Semi-Cell being the highlight of his value. Out of story...I want to say yes (as I have a huge bias for the non-Saiyan Z-fighters) but the answer is probably ... kind of. I stand by my belief that the Neo Tri-Beam did not exist prior to Tien's usage of it against Semi-Cell (I mean, if it did exist, he probably should have attempted to use it previously against 17/18). I'd bet every dollar I have...in my pocket...that AT just wrote himself into a hole there which is why I wouldn't count it as an out of verse reason for. Of course, I also stand by my belief that the humans should have had access to the Kaioken (maybe Piccolo as well as there is NO way I can believe his body couldn't handle it as he could regenerate). Which, if they had, the answer would easily have been yes. Edited by Muyasuki, Oct 8 2012, 10:28 PM.
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| 90sDBZ | Oct 8 2012, 10:33 PM Post #18 |
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I consider Tien to be valuable. The only problem is he doesn't take advantage of having the Neo Tri Beam more often. With that he could have killed 17 and 18 and maybe even Imperfect Cell. The thing that bugs me is that he said there was nothing he could do when Piccolo was getting beat by Imperfect Cell yet we all know there is something he could have done which he does soon after when its too late to kill Cell with it. Still he was an extra Trio of eyes when they were searching for Cell and could have also come in handy by using the Solar Flare. The fact that he held back Semi-Perfect Cell makes him valuable imo. At that point no one else on earth could have done that and had Vegeta not been an idiot later on Tien would have played a vital part in Cell's defeat. |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 8 2012, 10:34 PM Post #19 |
 
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I think he was saying Tenshinhanhaninhanshinhan was responsible for allowing the saga to continue. Without him, Cell would've killed #16 (Gohan's SSjin2 catalyst) and absorbed #18, and Perfect Cell wouldn't have been so impressed by the Saiyans' RoSaT gains that he would've just killed them outright. End of saga. |
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Oct 8 2012, 10:43 PM Post #20 |
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That's exactly what I was trying to say. So in the end, is Tien absolutely useless? No. Even in the Boo Saga, you can assume that had he not saved Hercule and Dende, and the events gone accordingly to the manga, they would've been very screwed. With that said, Tien is obviously not relevant enough to the plot for all the praise people give him, but he did do small things that served a big purpose. |
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| lunar2 | Oct 8 2012, 10:56 PM Post #21 |
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@tien. he was definitely plot relevant, and was just as important to the team as krillin, and moreso than yamcha or chiaotzu (psychic powers don't help against machines, i guess). @kaioken. piccolo was only on king kai's for 2 weeks. he didn't have time to learn it. tien didn't use king kai's methods straight out, he took the gist of them, and incorporated them into his ow techniques. hence the shin kikoho instead of just a kaioken. yamcha wasn't there long enough, and chiaotzu can't handle it. krillin was never trained by king kai. so everyone has a valid reason not to use kaioken. |
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| + Kyouks | Oct 8 2012, 11:04 PM Post #22 |
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Ah, okay. Sowwy.  I'm sorta stuck in the middle with this Tien business, personally. Tien fanboys >>>>> Me >>> Tien...nerfers, I guess. |
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| 90sDBZ | Oct 8 2012, 11:29 PM Post #23 |
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Tien could destroy any villain with his Tune a Piano joke. King Kai was almost swept off his feet by it and that's before the training even began. I'd say it gives him an infinite multiplier.
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| "The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!" | |
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| Mike XL | Oct 8 2012, 11:45 PM Post #24 |
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He's more relevant than the rest of the humans, but nothing compared to Piccolo and the Sayians. But seriously, outside of Piccolo vs 2nd form Freiza and Piccolo vs 1st form Cell, the only ones that are able to do anything in Z are the Sayians. It's a shame, Tenshinhan was badass. Too bad he peaked pretty much right when he was introduced. He had his moments in Z though, that's more than can be said for the other humans, especially Yamcha and Chaozu. I do think he surpasses Freiza by the end of Z, which is a huge accomplishment for a human, who doesn't have a ton of hax ways to gain power. And he is capable of beating stronger opponents because of his Shin Kikoho. Edited by Mike XL, Oct 8 2012, 11:46 PM.
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| Kblo247 | Oct 9 2012, 01:20 AM Post #25 |
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Yes. He is not Vegeta or Piccolo who were the two most useful. Krillin was a plot point they were trying to make about the present androids not being evil. I think we also need to remember that when Piccolo was screwed literally by Gero, he called Gohan and not Tien or Krillin to save him. Gohan swooped in and knocked silly an even more powerful Gero that Goku couldn't budge. Tiens usefulness was his third eye and the tri beam. Krillins usefulness was thinking of killing present cell before he developed, rinsing android blueprints, and seeing that the present cyborgs weren't bad people. I mean Tiens only physical interaction in the android arc hurts the team far more than it helps. Vegeta gets caught by his foot trying to save him from 17 and Piccolo gets his stomach to touch his backbone because he was too weak to even do any physical harm and land a blow, basically Nappa all over again Edited by Kblo247, Oct 9 2012, 01:24 AM.
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| J-Smack | Oct 9 2012, 01:56 AM Post #26 |
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Tien was sort of just there for the androids and Cell. It appeared to me that Toryama was trying to keep his whole cast relevant (unlike the Buu arc.) Tien helped out enough to be crucial to the story line, but was beat up enough for everyone to know how powerful the Saiyans and Piccolo were. |
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| Gotunks | Oct 9 2012, 03:20 PM Post #27 |
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i personally think tien is the 3rd most powerful guy in the z gang, vegeta, gohan and goku was always on par with one another, the one stronger then the other, 2nd is piccolo and 3rd is tien, dont under estimate him, he might not be the strongest, but he is goku as a human, he not a saiyan or super saiyan, not as strong as them, but his determenation, and abilaty to stand up for his friends till the end is very goku like |
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| filter | Oct 9 2012, 03:39 PM Post #28 |
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yamcha is useless |
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| 90sDBZ | Oct 9 2012, 04:17 PM Post #29 |
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If it weren't for Yamcha someone else like Goku or Piccolo might have been surprised by meeting the Androids first and gotten their power absorbed before they could even fight. If it had been Goku they wouldn't have let him go, he'd have been dead there and then. Also Yamcha was able to find out about the Androids absorption abilities and warn the others about it during the battle. And if Yamcha hadn't been there to fly Goku home Krillin would have done it instead and they might not have found Gero's lab for much longer and things could have played out very differently. Everyone of them played an important role in one way or another. Krillin finding the lab, Tien holding back Cell and even Yajirobe by giving them the Senzu beans which later saved their lives. Edited by 90sDBZ, Oct 9 2012, 04:18 PM.
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| "The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!" | |
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| Zmaster | Oct 10 2012, 12:52 PM Post #30 |
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In my opinion Android 20 was equal with Goku but Goku had virus then I think that in android saga humans were not strong enough but Tien's Neo Tri-Beam in Imperfect Cell Saga was AWESOME for me |
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